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Supreme Court sets aside ruling that Vice President Cheney must turn over energy task force records.
CNN

Posted on 06/24/2004 7:16:23 AM PDT by green iguana

Just breaking on CNN.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: cheney; energy; energytaskforce; executiveprivilege; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: mrsmith

Please see posts 89 and 95.


121 posted on 06/24/2004 10:48:52 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
"this privacy will be used to shield government's true motives. A policy may be announced with one stated purpose, but in truth there may be sinister alterior motives behind it, including graft, corruption and contempt for the will of the electorate. "

Criminal investigations result from crimes. Information which is needed for criminal investigations are not protected by privilege or separation of powers.

As to merely bad motives- that should only be handled politically in a free society.

122 posted on 06/24/2004 10:54:15 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: freeeee

Boy is there lots of egg on my face!


123 posted on 06/24/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: freeeee
Are you unable to judge a policy on it's merits?

The real life experience of all policy makers have direct bearing on the policies they write. Need we demand documents, dossiers on every teacher they ever had, a list of all books they have read, every magazine they picked up while they waited in their doctors office, transcripts from every trade seminar they ever attended?

Maybe a chip should be implanted in all of us at birth, so we could recreate all input into our psyches, should we ever write any government policy. It would be the only way for "the people" to be fully informed about everything directly behind the creation of any policy.
124 posted on 06/24/2004 11:03:52 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: mrsmith

Mine too.


125 posted on 06/24/2004 11:04:39 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: VRWC_minion

Imagine having to have open strategy discussions while negotiating contracts with employee unions.


126 posted on 06/24/2004 11:11:52 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: freeeee
But I've got a double helping- and from a newbie mistake of not reading the thread before replying!
127 posted on 06/24/2004 11:15:14 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: kazander; All
According to SCOTUSBlog, who is blogging via blackberry from the Court, the vote was 5-2-2. I don't know who is in the minority or what the -2-2 means. Apparently, Ginsburg was dissenting from the Bench.

It's a confusing ruling, decided mainly on procedural grounds. The district judge ordered the files released, before the case was over. The government appealed, and the Court of Appeals said that, because the case wasn't over in the district court, it (the Court of Appeals) had no jurisdiction to overturn the district court. The Supreme Court held, 7-2, that the Court of Appeals did have jurisdiction to review the district court's order. The opinion for the Court (written by Kennedy, joined by Rehnquist, Stevens, O'Connor and Breyer) decided that jurisdictional issue and nothing else. It has the effect of sending the case back to the Court of Appeals without telling it how to decide whether or not to release the files (but effectively postponing any release until after the election).

Stevens joined that opinion but added a concurring opinion hinting that he thought that some, but not all, of the files should be released.

Thomas (joined by Scalia) concurred in part, saying that (a) the Court of Appeals does have jurisdiction, and (b) the district judge was wrong and none of the files should be released.

Ginsburg (joined by Souter) dissented and said that the Court of Appeals had no jurisdiction.

128 posted on 06/24/2004 11:41:22 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Did the district court ever allow the rest of the case to be heard? If not, I can see the AC kicking it back down again, instructing the DC to finish the case & to make an additional ruling.


129 posted on 06/24/2004 11:48:33 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: MeekOneGOP
The Sierra Club, a liberal environmental club, and Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, sued. They argued that the public has a right to information about committees like Cheney's. The organizations contended that environmentalists were shut out of the meetings, while executives like former Enron Corp. Chairman Kenneth Lay were key task force players.
More biased than a release from the DNC.

I know you just posted the article, I meant to say the journalist who wrote that propaganda has no shame.

130 posted on 06/24/2004 12:02:37 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: green iguana; All

NO! IT WAS NOT EXECUTIVE PRIVILEDGE.

Just watched legal guy on FOX and he said that if the WH had claimed executive priviledge, they would have lost and would have been required to turn over the documents.

However .. I believe our admin is much smarter than Hillary's goons, and we did not fall into their trap. Now, those people who attended the energy meeting are protected.

THIS IS A MAJOR VICTORY FOR CHENEY AND THE BUSH WH.


131 posted on 06/24/2004 1:38:49 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar

BIG major difference between Hillary's healthcare and Cheney's energy .. Hillary was NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE GOVERNMENT - she was just the wife of the president. She did not have the power or authority to hold such a meeting, and she certainly did not have the power or authority to keep it private.

Cheney, however, WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE GOVERNMENT, and as such he is allowed to hold meetings without having to reveal who attended the meeting. Remember, it was the environmentalists who filed the suit .. because none of them were invited to the energy meeting. They wanted to know who Cheney met with .. and it was none of their business.


132 posted on 06/24/2004 1:49:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: AmishDude
7-2 is a good count.

It is a rout. The only other things better would be an annihilation and a complete annihilation. Clinton was on the receiving end of the latter. I agree on your guess of the losers.

133 posted on 06/24/2004 3:22:44 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: All
nyuk nyuk nyuk...
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

134 posted on 06/24/2004 4:27:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: mattdono

he never said the 2 million protestors were liberal...

and when they dragged hillary from the white house...

he didn't see too clearly...

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135 posted on 06/24/2004 8:51:16 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: green iguana

bump


136 posted on 06/25/2004 3:40:53 AM PDT by foreverfree
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