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To: Quix
"WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States has sent a tough message to Saudi Arabia that did not rule out the abandoning of the kingdom's oil sector."

NOT

Can you say horse & buggy??

Or cutting off one's nose to spite your face?

Unfortunately we have put ourselves in a position of not being able to cut the umbilical cord to the Saudi's.

They know they've got us by the *****.

101 posted on 06/24/2004 7:32:31 AM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: WestCoastGal

ONLY, imho,

because the puppet masters have set it up that way.

Supposedly, they could

1) open the secret oil reserves in the USA supposedly equal to Saudi Arabia's.

2) release 3-4 novel energy sources related to Tesla/UFO sorts of technologies.

I don't expect them to do either 1 or 2. It seems to serve their purposes better to cause global chaos to force the world's citizens into a world government . . . with many dead in the process yielding less to have to deal with.


215 posted on 06/24/2004 11:03:22 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: WestCoastGal
Unfortunately we have put ourselves in a position of not being able to cut the umbilical cord to the Saudi's.

Back a few years ago we were able to purchase station wagons and small cars that got 35-40 mpg consistently. Anyone remember the Honda MPG that was advertised specifically for HIGH GASOLINE MILEAGE? Now they cater to Expeditions, Suburbans and Hummers. All those SUVs out there (I know I am offending some of you and some of you actually NEED them for various purposes) get hideous mileage and yet they are the most popular things on the road. No one can criticize our government for its ties to the Saudis when those who purchase gas-guzzlers are themselves sucking at the Saudi nipple (whew - sorry, but that's what it is folks!)

I am not an eco-nut, but I am concerned about the economic implications should our oil supply be cut off or drastically reduced. Are you ready if Uncle Sam does cut off oil from the Saudis? If you think gas prices were bad recently, wait'll that happens! By the way, recent reports show the hybrids to get about half of the EPA mileage on the sticker. Not only that, but they charge additional dealer markup because they are in demand. Nothing like taking advantage of the American consumer now is there?

349 posted on 06/24/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by MamaDearest ( "But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid.")
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To: WestCoastGal; My Favorite Headache; All

Don't know if this has been posted yet?

CNN: Sources Say Porter Goss New CIA Chief
CNN | 6-24-04
Posted on 06/24/2004 2:36:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Wolf Blitzer has one of his correspondents on live right now and called it breaking news that Goss is gonna get the nod from Bush for top CIA job.


415 posted on 06/25/2004 12:19:57 AM PDT by JustPiper (Look at monitor, is it on the Threat Matrix ?)
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To: WestCoastGal

>>>>"WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States has sent a tough message to Saudi Arabia that did not rule out the abandoning of the kingdom's oil sector."

I'm still 100s of posts behind. But I have a little background to add here.

Our buying oil from the Saudi's was a deal that was created in 1945 made between Roosevelt and King Abdulaziz bin Saud.

Article that shows history:

After World War II, the kingdom’s vast oil reserves and willingness to use its production capacity to ensure moderate and stable world oil prices were rightly judged to be vital to American national security. In return for these strategic assets, the United States pledged to protect the kingdom’s oil supplies and obstruct those who would seek to control them, particularly the Soviet Union.

Cracks in the Marriage. The first indications that the foundations of this partnership were eroding came in the early 1970s, when the Saudis took the lead in establishing the OPEC oil cartel. Saudi Arabia was among the three leading instigators of the 1973 embargo on oil shipments to the United States and was the principal beneficiary of it. Rather than standing by the United States at a time when tensions between American and Soviet naval vessels in the Mediterranean were at an all-time high, the Saudis cut off oil supplies to the U.S. navy in October of that year.

The rationale for this partnership completely unraveled following the 1979 establishment of an Islamic Republic in Tehran, when Iranian clerics challenged the religious credentials of the Saudi monarchy. Ayatollah Khomeini condemned Saudi royals as corrupt, venal and decidedly un-Islamic. That they should be challenged at all was bad enough - that they should be challenged by Shiites, regarded as a heretical sect by most Sunni Muslims, was intolerable.

The Saudi Royal Family. Since it established control over the Arabia peninsula in the 1920s, the Saudi royal family has claimed to be the guardian of Islam’s two holiest sites – Mecca and Medina – and prides itself on upholding the “purest” form of Islam, known as Wahhabism. Wahhabism dates back to a pact between eighteenth century Arabian zealot Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and a desert brigand named Ibn Saud, which enshrined an alliance through marriage that produced the Saudi royal family. Until the late 1970s, Wahhabism was an extreme sect that happened to rule Saudi Arabia, but did not bother too many outside the kingdom’s borders. To counter the proliferation of anti-Saudi Iranian propaganda, however, the Saudis decided to spread Wahhabi teachings abroad. The royal family’s oil wealth poured into countries throughout the Islamic world, from West Africa to Indonesia, fueling a proliferation of madrasas (religious schools) that indoctrinated a new generation of Islamists. Even in the United States, Muslim children studied Islamic primers shipped from Wahhabi institutes in Saudi Arabia.

The Monster they Created. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979 provided the kingdom with an ideal opportunity to sponsor a bona fide ‘holy war’ that would showcase Wahhabi ideals and quiet Iranian-inspired Islamist opposition to the monarchy. Madrasas around the Arab and Islamic world produced shock troops for this jihad. After the Russians were driven out of Afghanistan, these “Arab Afghans” began trickling home and looked for other jihads. The Saudis had created a monster; to be sure they did not wreak havoc inside the kingdom, bin Laden and other Saudi Islamists were encouraged to wage ‘holy war’ abroad. When the Clinton administration cornered Osama bin Laden in the Sudan in 1998, the Saudis refused to allow his extradition back home, where he could be neutralized. Instead, the Saudi intelligence chief – Prince Turki – reportedly offered bin Laden $200 million to go to Afghanistan, on the condition that he not target the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden honored his promise – there has not been a single attack by Al-Qaeda against the Al-Saud family. Inside the kingdom, Al-Qaeda has only operated against the Americans and the British. Over time, the understanding became that bin Laden would leave the Saudis alone only if they allowed the network of charities funding Al-Qaeda to operate unhindered. On the day after the September 11 attacks, the first thing Riyadh did was evacuate two dozen members of the bin Laden family residing in the U.S. on the private jet of its ambassador, Prince Bandar.

With the end of the Cold War, the most persuasive reasons for maintaining the marriage of convenience with Saudi Arabia disappeared. With the September 11 attacks, the returns on this partnership went from zero to negative. The Saudis have become the friends of our enemies and the enemies of our friends. Bin Laden is an extension of Saudi foreign policy. To be fair, the Saudis don’t quite know how to deal with the monster they’ve created – so far they’ve avoided tough choices. As long as the benefits of sponsoring terror are enormous and the costs of sponsoring terror are negligible, they will not take decisive action. The U.S. must therefore make the costs of funding Wahhabi extremism terribly high, while making the benefits slim pickings.

http://www.meireview.com/v2.02/commentary/murawiec.php

We don't need oil from Saudi at all. Gull Island has as much (or more) crude oil on the North Slope of Alaska as in Saudi Arabia.

There are many hundreds of square miles of oil under the North Slope of Alaska.

We have wells all ready drill here. The government permitted the oil companies to drill and prove many sites (subsequently making them cap the wells), but they do not allow them to produce from the wells. The only production permitted is from the small area of the North Slope.

http://www.anwr.org/features/pdfs/tech-facts.pdf

We can out produce anyone with oil. But buying oil from abroad as well as all the outsourcing and trading we do is for negotiation tactics. It is leverage to maintain allies.


530 posted on 06/25/2004 8:16:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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