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Andrew Sullivan: God help us: a holy war for the White House [BARF ALERT]
London Times | June 20, 2004 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/20/2004 8:14:28 AM PDT by ejdrapes

Andrew Sullivan: God help us: a holy war for the White House

One of the many ways in which America has always been exceptional is in the role of religion. It has far higher rates of church attendance than other developed countries, constant religious references in public life, an enormous network of religious charities that do amazing work and a perpetual churning of spiritual frenzy. If you are a person of faith, as I am, it’s impressive. But it’s also fraught with danger and occasional excess. American religion justified the enslavement of African-Americans and their emancipation; it fuelled the Great Awakening of the 18th century (a mass kindling of religious fervour among the working class), the anti-evolution Scopes trial early last century and the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. It has propelled activists of right and left, of reaction and revolution.

What’s interesting about the current moment in American history is therefore not that it’s particularly religious. It is that religion has become such a partisan affair. The current upsurge in Protestant fundamentalism and, to a much lesser degree, Catholic orthodoxy, is finding its expression almost exclusively in the Republican party.

Not so long ago, observant Christians could be found across the political arena: the Democrats were the natural home for Catholics (as well as a hefty proportion of conservative Southerners); the Republicans drew strength from mainstream Protestant denominations. Nobody dreamt of one party representing religious devotion and the other becoming the home for secularists and more easy-going faith seekers.

But that is what is now happening. It’s part accident — a function of the Republican party reaching out to disaffected white Southerners at the same time as a religious revival — but also part design. The Republicans are now consciously organising their re-election campaign on a church-by-church basis, targeting groups according to their religiosity and church-going habits, while the Democrats are receiving more and more voters alienated by the piety and alleged intolerance of the new religious right.

You saw a dry run of this divide during the fight over The Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson’s film treatment of the last day of Jesus. The new Republican alliance — conservative Catholics and born-again Protestants — swooned over the movie. Jews, moderate believers, atheists and secularists were appalled.

The polls tell the story. Should a president be guided by religious faith in making political decisions? A Time poll last week found that 70% of Republicans said yes while 63% of Democrats said no. Sixty per cent of Republicans attend church once a week; only 35% of Democrats do. Do George W Bush’s religious views make him too closed-minded? A full 65% of Democrats said yes compared with only 5% of Republicans.

Among white evangelicals (about 17% of the vote) Bush is ahead of John Kerry, his Democratic challenger, by a staggering 50 percentage points. Among people who identify themselves as “secular” (about 15% of the vote), Kerry has a lead of about 40%. Devout Catholics are far more likely to vote Republican than nominal or less-committed Catholics — which is why they have become a critical group for Bush to target.

So there is an uncomfortably sectarian aspect to this election. There was Republican pressure on the Catholic bishops meeting last week to criticise Kerry for his permissive stand on abortion. In Massachusetts, Catholic bishops have sent letters to parishioners urging them not to vote for state legislators who support marriage rights for gay couples.

Various other Catholic bishops have said they will not give communion to politicians who support the right to an abortion — forcing the governor of New Jersey, for one, to withdraw from the communion rail. Some bishops have even said that communion should not be given to lay Catholics who vote for such politicians — ruling out a whole swathe of the Democratic party from the Catholic Church.

Last week, President Bush addressed by satellite the annual convention of the Southern Baptists. The same week they pulled out of the international Baptist organisation because they feared it was becoming too liberal. And they returned Bush’s favour by promising to rally support for his proposed constitutional amendment to deny gay couples any legal protections for their relationships. They also began a new “I Vote Values” voter registration campaign designed to deliver the 16m Baptist voters for Bush.

The Texas Republican party recently agreed a policy that would make it a felony for anyone to perform a same-sex marriage in the state, and it was addressed by a pastor who said: “Give us Christians in America who are more wholehearted, more committed and more militant for you and your kingdom than any fanatical Islamic terrorists are for death and destruction.”

Virginia recently passed a law invalidating even private contracts between two people of the same sex — an attempt to strip gay couples of even the most basic protections for their relationships. And the National Catholic Reporter informed its readers last week that Bush, in his recent meeting with the Pope, had complained that some American Catholic bishops were “not with me” on social issues. By that he was understood to mean they had not condemned Kerry for being a bad Catholic for his support of legal abortion.

The stances are hardening. Last week, Bill Clinton remarked that “what separates us is that we haven’t tried to have our politics driven by religion”. In a recent interview with religious-right journalists, Bush struck a different note.

“A person’s faith helps you keep vision. As a matter of fact, helps clear your vision, is a vision,” he said. “In one of the prayers I ask is that God’s light shines through me as best as possible, no matter how opaque the window.” (My apologies for the president’s grammar.) In Plan of Attack, the recent Bob Woodward book, Bush famously denied that his father was a source of political advice. What mattered was the advice of his “heavenly father”. Bush knows not to push this too far.

“The best way for faith to operate in somebody is, as I said, to let the light shine as opposed to trying to defend or alter or get my job mixed up with a preacher’s job. And the only way you can do that is just be yourself, without crossing any lines of politics and religion,” he said.

“Separation of church and state (is) important in America. And by that I mean the people of faith should participate in the state, and there’s a difference.”

That difference may not be so apparent in the White House. David Frum, the former speech writer, observed that one of the first things he was asked when he got his job was whether he was going to Bible study. He’s Jewish.

Will religion determine this election? I hope not. As an admirer of the extraordinary energy, diversity and social commitment of American faith, I’d hate to see it become used in a political mud-fight. But Karl Rove, Bush’s political strategist, has other ideas. He knows how religious sentiment can be a political tool — and recently gave the commencement address at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, the largest religious university in the country.

He and Bush have delegated social policy entirely to the religious right: trying to divert federal funds to religious charities, opposing legal abortion, most stem cell research and any gay rights.

Kerry knows his Catholic past — he got an annulment from his first wife rather than a divorce — is an asset to be used defensively. He also must know that his abortion position — supporting even the horrific practice of partial birth abortion — is morally hard to square with respect for human life. But he is also ambivalent about being targeted by the bishops. It could help him with liberal Catholics and secularists but hurt him among older, more orthodox Catholic voters.

Either way, I hope he never has to face the dilemma of being turned away at the communion rail. The partisan fusion of politics with religion in this campaign is poisoning an already toxic cultural atmosphere. God help us if it makes its way on to the altar itself.


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To: ejdrapes
No, Sullivan, God help us if you get your way and destroy a 3,000 year old Institution that binds man to woman, woman to man, not man to diseased man. How, where and when you want to fornicate is nothing to build law upon, you myopic, self-interested, blowhard.

(My apologies for the president’s grammar.)

A gratutituous, cowardly and very unimaginative, wholly overdone slam. How cerebral...NOT!

And don't try telling us that homosexuality is about more than wanting sex with your own kind. Like it or not, your band of brothers loves to love indiscriminately, promiscuous is the word. So, it's all about sex, otherwise your love for your fellow 'man' would be called friendship.

Here's a bit of consolation for you though, if the 3,000 year old institution is lost, the loss can be laid squarely at the feet of the heterosexuals out there who brought the institution to its knees, rendering it meaningless, and as consequence, ripe for the homosexual taking.

It's an absolute certainty that if Marriage meant forever, you and your boys would want no 'lifetime commitment' part of it.

21 posted on 06/20/2004 9:00:58 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: ejdrapes
The Republicans are now consciously organising their re-election campaign on a church-by-church basis, targeting groups according to their religiosity and church-going habits

A technique they learned from watching Democrats work Southern Blacks and Catholic ethnic neighborhoods in the North in the past.

The dichotomy is caused by the Democrat Party becomming explicitly anti-religious.

SO9

22 posted on 06/20/2004 9:04:51 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: ejdrapes

"David Frum, the former speech writer, observed that one of the first things he was asked when he got his job was whether he was going to Bible study. He’s Jewish."

What's wrong with that? Does Andrew know the origins of the Old Testament? Does he know that the Old Testament is part of the Bible? Has Andrew heard the expression "Judeo-Christian tradition"? This is a "man of faith"?


23 posted on 06/20/2004 9:05:56 AM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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To: ontos-on

Sullivan, like some posters here, has become a one issue voter...and he can see nothing else...I used to enjoy reading Sullivan, I've deleted his blog from my favorites.


24 posted on 06/20/2004 9:11:25 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: isthisnickcool
Why does Sullivan think that redefining marriage is about religion. It's typical of a closet leftist to think that some new government involvement in peoples' lives is a good idea. There are numerous secular arguments against allowing anyone and anything to marry.
  1. Marriage is a cultural concept that is naturally exclusive. We limit it to two people, for example.
  2. Marriage confers economic and status advantages to the couple in our culture. We do this to acknowledge the family unit and to offer our shared encouragement. Why should we have to extend that to couples who are by their very nature incapable of producing families?
  3. Our founding fathers believed that no man should be required to pay taxes to support something he found morally reprehensible. Many Americans agree that one man and one woman marrying is moral. No sizable majority agrees to any other union. Therefore, taxes paid to offset social security and exemptions paid to same sex couples would be without representation.
  4. Marriage states that an entire county honors and hallows a union between a man and a woman. A considerable majority would find this untenable were it to be changed to include non-traditional unions.
  5. Most proponents of same sex unions agree that more than two people marrying wouldn't be required to satisfy their demands. However, isn't this an exclusion, as I suggested above? But America has found polygamy unacceptable as a legal arrangement for family units since the days when Utah was struggling to join the union. the Republican National Platform Committee paired polygamy with slavery when it declared it the "duty of Congress to prohibit in the territories those twin relics of barbarism, polygamy and slavery." -- Linda Thatcher's Utah History - Struggle for Statehood.

Sullivan confuses liberty with support. A community is no more obligated to support a coupling of identically sexed individuals than it is to marry a trio, a quadrupling, or any other number.

Americans want men and women to marry. All Americans support that. Only a radical few want to redefine that. And why may we ask? For the collectivist benefits, for the blow to our shared sense of cultural morality (both in Christian terms and others), and our shared sense that children should be raised free from discussions of many of us find to be prurient and unsafe.

This is not to suggest that any Americans should hate people who follow Mr. Sullivan's preference. Neither is it to suggest that they are unacceptable citizens of our country. Their individual rights end where our shared value for the traditional family beings.

The most disturbing thing about Sullivan's and many other homosexual activist's attitudes on these matters is that they want to redefine our civil rights, which are soundly based on individuality as human beings and confer them to groupings of people. In this case, they demand it for pairings.

Does this impact religious Americans? Of course. Does it impact all Americans? Yes. And negatively. Suddenly we are asked to join in and bless behavior that we may find unwise, and do so in front of our children.

This is both taxation and legislation without representation. It is undemocratic, and it is the tyranny of the minority through government. What difference is there between this and communism?

Anyone who claims to be a conservative should understand this. Sullivan is a closet collectivist without a doubt. He's out of the closet now.

25 posted on 06/20/2004 9:24:08 AM PDT by risk
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To: ontos-on

Spot on.


26 posted on 06/20/2004 9:38:24 AM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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To: isthisnickcool

That's his man-kootchie talking.


27 posted on 06/20/2004 9:39:49 AM PDT by Paul Atreides (Didn't your father tell you that unnecessary excerpting will make you go blind?)
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To: BadAndy
Not "until the DemonRat party decided to embrace child buggerers, athiests, traitors, radical feminists, pro- abortion fanatics, and philanderers."

Awfully picky, aren't you? ;)

28 posted on 06/20/2004 9:41:51 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: isthisnickcool
"(Note to self. Keep in mind this guy is a queer and has no business telling me about religion or culture.)

I was initially going to say that this article has *some* valid points, before reading the second half, and your quote. Methinks there will be a gay-only "Christian" church opening soon for these vermin.

29 posted on 06/20/2004 10:16:32 AM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: All

I discovered Andrew Sullivan's blog as a link off of Horowitz's frontpagemag.com about 2 years ago. I read it almost every day. My conclusions:
1. Is he an intellectual? Yes, top drawer thinker.
2. Is he a single-issue homo? No, he's a true conservative who happens to be gay. There are some out there. He's just obsessed with the gay marriage issues and his arguments are very strong even though I disagree with them.
3. If you think he's a liberal why don't you actually read his stuff: www.andrewsullivan.com


30 posted on 06/20/2004 10:32:12 AM PDT by Deb8
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To: Adam36
"Drudge is also gay and he talks about religion"

A lie.

31 posted on 06/20/2004 10:35:04 AM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Deb8
2. Is he a single-issue homo? No, he's a true conservative who happens to be gay. There are some out there. He's just obsessed with the gay marriage issues and his arguments are very strong even though I disagree with them

Uh Deb, IMO, it seems that you are very fluent in john fffin kerryese.

32 posted on 06/20/2004 10:37:27 AM PDT by Dane
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To: risk

Well-written. Thanks.


33 posted on 06/20/2004 10:45:13 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: ejdrapes

Andrew, get a grip. Most believers are flocking to the Republican party because the Democratic party now represents: Atheism and anti-Christianity (yet the Christian influence in founding and shaping this country towards its greatness is undeniable), the ubber liberal media (sure not many Repubs in this group), anti-Military (sure wasn't Repubs holding those peace rallies that encouraged soldiers to shoot their officers), Academia (left over 60's marxists run the Universities), hard core gay activists (not the log cabin types militantly forcing their agenda on America), Hollywood (Michael Moore...need I say more?), Class warfare specialists such as Jesse Jackson and Rev Al (where's their concern for Sudan and for present slavery in Africa?), and the outstanding political all-start team of Ted (I beat that rap) Kennedy, John (the flip-floppin' Frenchman who served in Vietnam )Kerry, Al Screamin' Mad Gore, Howlin' Howard Dean, Nancy (left her mind in San Francisco) Pelosi, KKK (kooky, kookier, and kookiest) Robert Byrd, Jim (misleads the American people) McDermott, among others.

PS Didn't even mention Hill or Bill

PPS If it dawns on the average American what the Democratic party now represents...there will be mass exodus to the Repubs and Independent parties.


34 posted on 06/20/2004 10:51:56 AM PDT by jamfull
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To: ontos-on
This "gayness" issue consumes his entire mind.

Bingo!

I, me, mine. I think the Beatles had a song with that for a title. As I recall, it was tongue in cheek.

For Sullivan and others, it is a lifestyle and mindset.

35 posted on 06/20/2004 10:56:59 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Adam36

Really? I don't think so, but maybe you know best. I wonder what Ann Coulter would say about that.


36 posted on 06/20/2004 4:19:54 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole.)
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To: Dane

Would you care to explain your remarks?


37 posted on 06/20/2004 5:57:12 PM PDT by Deb8
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To: ejdrapes

Whoa! What did I miss? Was it really a group of Baptists that attacked the WTC? or would this numbskull prefer that we convert to islam to prevent any hard feelings?


39 posted on 06/21/2004 10:51:17 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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