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True - Illegal to volunteer in California!
The Fladen Experience ^ | May 22, 2004 | Elliot Fladen

Posted on 06/19/2004 8:18:10 AM PDT by ElliotFladen

"This was like a Bomb Going Off in the Environmental Community" - Labor Union's Prevailing Wage Law in California Now Threatens Environmentalists Most people have never heard of the strange pork barrel animal that helps keep state construction costs astronomically high - othewise known as "prevailing wage law." That could be about to change. Under a recent ruling by California's Department of Industrial Relations, the environmental group Heal the Bay will now have to pay all its volunteers the prevailing wage because under amendments to the California Labor Code pushed during the Gray Davis administration, receiving governmental assistance turns construction (defined loosely) into a "public works project."

As one activist said recently: "This was like a bomb going off in the environmental community," said Shelly Luce, director of science and policy at Heal the Bay, which was forced to halt a volunteer weed-removal project along Malibu Creek. "Our creek monitoring and restoration is 80 percent volunteer ... We were sure it meant we had to shut everything down."

So what exactly is a prevailing wage for anyway? Well, many states enacted laws during headier union times that were designed "to protect" the workers in the labor market from distortions that would be wrought through cheap government labor. To do so, many states and the federal government (the latter for its own projects) mandate that workers be paid the "prevailing market wage". However, there are several problems with this that I have listed in a separate post today, but I've summarized them below: (1) the prevailing wage is likely and often is significantly higher than the actual market wage (2) workers on government projects might not be as deserving of even the market wage (3) it could increase not only the cost, but the number of governmental projects.

So the environmentalists (and many other non-profits that rely on volunteers) in California now have a few options.

First, they can try to have their projects supported by California Chartered Cities as opposed to the state government, under the guise that these cities are entitled under the state constitution to run their own "municipal affairs" and that prevailing wage law is not a "matter of statewide concern" that can trump this right to "home rule". While there is solid precedent (a dated California Supreme Court case called Pasadena holding that prevailing wage law is not a matter of statewide concern), a recent appellant level case known as Long Beach departed from it by holding the opposite. This case is now pending before the California Supreme Court.

Second, they can refuse governmental assistance or pay their workers. Both here would be very difficult for such groups.

Third, they can try to apply for a difficult exception

Finally, they can get an exemption built into the state law exempting volunteers, which I believe the federal and quite a few state governments have. Trouble is, the labor unions aren't willing to budge, as Daniel Weintraub points out

You would think lawmakers would just repeal whatever law is blocking volunteerism, or pass a new law that explicitly allows it. That shouldn't be very difficult if everyone wants it, right? Wrong....... The easiest fix would be the simplest: a new law that says people who want to volunteer their time can do so. And if they are getting paid, they get paid the prevailing wage. But not in the Capitol. Hans Hemann, an aide to Assemblywoman Loni Hancock, the Berkeley Democrat who has taken over the issue in the Legislature, says his boss so far hasn't been able to get labor leaders and environmentalists to agree on a fix.

However, there might be a glimmer of hope for environmentalists. A later dated publication claims that "regulators have stopped enforcing" pending action by the legislature.

Would it be a good thing for the legislature to act? Sure, environmentalists and other non-profits would get out of the high costs associated with this law, but many government contractors would remain stuck with it leaving taxpayers to pony up the higher costs. Leaving the law in place might be just what is needed to draw attention to the problems of prevailing wage law that I point out in the post below.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; environment; politics; prevailingwage; union; unions; volunteer
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Read it with the links at the original site - the links make it worthwhile. http://fladenexp.blogspot.com/2004/05/this-was-like-bomb-going-off-in.html
1 posted on 06/19/2004 8:18:12 AM PDT by ElliotFladen
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To: ElliotFladen

I love it when the left finds a way to screw each other.


2 posted on 06/19/2004 8:21:12 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: ElliotFladen

The enviralists elect Grayout Davis and this is what they get. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Let's just be sure to prosecute EVERY SINGLE group that used volunteer effort in violation of law. Starting with those groups that gave the most support to Grayout.


3 posted on 06/19/2004 8:22:38 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: ElliotFladen

This is why socialism, under whatever guise, leads to cannibalism and genocide.

TANSTAAFL.


4 posted on 06/19/2004 8:25:07 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: ElliotFladen

Somehow, even though this was done during the Davis Admin, they will find a way to blame republican officeholders. Just watch...


5 posted on 06/19/2004 8:25:15 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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To: ElliotFladen
Maryland is stuck with a similar piece of "prevailing wage" legislation and Virginia isn't.

In planning for the new Wilson bridge across the Potomac Maryland's Democratic regime wanted the U.S. Secretary of Labor to mandate that the project's federal component had to also be done under the federal "prevailing wage" law.

This would have had the effect of pretty much doubling the bridge's total cost.

Virginia, which is providing about half the non-federal funding decided it could not be bound by previous agreements and would simply not pay for any of the increases in cost.

Maryland's Democrat regime then backed off. The federales, under Bush 43, didn't certify the project for federal "prevailing wage" status anyway.

What's interesting with the California business is the very first groups to get hurt are another wing of the Democrat's coalition, the environmentalists! In Maryland, the first groups to get hurt were Marylanders. After all, the bridge is of much more economic consequence to Maryland than it is Virginia.

Otherwise, few people care about the "prevailing wage" theory of poject construction (unless you want to stop the project!)

6 posted on 06/19/2004 8:28:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ElliotFladen
Sounds like it's time for California to repeal its entire legal code--or at least vast sections, chapters, or whatever they're called--and start again.
7 posted on 06/19/2004 8:30:57 AM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: ElliotFladen

The horns of a liberal dilema.


8 posted on 06/19/2004 8:32:17 AM PDT by twntaipan (demoncRATs ARE the friends of our enemies.)
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To: doug from upland
Doug, currently there is an exhibit at the Old Courthouse Museum in Santa Ana that I designed. Just last Wednesday I was over there for a presentation by a paleontologist from the LA County Museum of Natural History. I had a conversation about this topic with a county employee of the Parks & Rec Department. Apparently, there are several laws that Davis pushed through in cahoots with public employee unions. It's really going to hurt a lot of programs, and needs to be changed.
9 posted on 06/19/2004 8:34:24 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Thanks for the info. I guess it is more of the Davis legacy. :)


10 posted on 06/19/2004 8:39:39 AM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: ElliotFladen

If these groups really were "volunteer" group they would not be taking government money. Screw em.


11 posted on 06/19/2004 8:41:38 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: coloradan

BTW - they are trying to fix it with a bill called AB 2690. One problem delaying the bill was that labor unions wanted a sunset provision, concerned about "potential abuses".


12 posted on 06/19/2004 8:44:22 AM PDT by ElliotFladen
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To: ElliotFladen

Stupid law - but I like that the left has been caught in one its own traps!

We are going to hell in a handbasket - unless we rid ourselves of ALL the current crop of tyrannical politicians, lawyers, and judges.


13 posted on 06/19/2004 8:45:53 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: jpsb
The way it works is that there is a permanent staff of paid employees, augmented by volunteers who perform certain tasks. For example, in a case I'm somewhat familiar with, paid employees oversee the curation of fossils belonging to the County of Orange, while volunteers do the actual work of picking through the fossils, removing unwanted material, and cleaning the specimen for study and display. Another example are "Heal the Bay" kind of events when people come together to pick up trash in a bay or estuary. I know the Morro Bay National Estuary Program does this.

I guess you have to decide what you feel is right but outlawing volunteering seems ridiculous to me. Do you suppose they have outlawed unpaid internships in Sacramento or in Hollywood?
14 posted on 06/19/2004 8:48:48 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: farmfriend

ping


15 posted on 06/19/2004 8:54:23 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I guess you have to decide what you feel is right but outlawing volunteering seems ridiculous to me.

My understanding is that more than a few projects that parents wanted to do
to improve their children's public schools (painting, etc.) have been
stopped by the unionized maintainence workers of the school districts.
16 posted on 06/19/2004 8:58:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: muawiyah

When we lived in Sacramento our kids school needed painting in the worst way. No funds in the budget, so a group of us parents volunteered to paint the school, supplying all the paint and the labor.

NO WAY. The custodial union blocked it. so the school didn't get painted. But the left of course Loves all the Children. / sarcasm /vomit


17 posted on 06/19/2004 8:59:07 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: ElliotFladen
receiving governmental assistance turns construction (defined loosely) into a "public works project"

Does this mean we have to pay volunteers who work on presidential campaigns that receive federal matching funds? That would be a fun lawsuit to file.

18 posted on 06/19/2004 9:04:52 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: ElliotFladen
Sure, environmentalists and other non-profits would get out of the high costs associated with this law, but many government contractors would remain stuck with it leaving taxpayers to pony up the higher costs.

One problem is that a lot of municipalities write prevailing-wage restrictions into their construction contracts whether the law mandates it or not. In my city, the city council arbitrarily requires prevailing wage, and school construction costs are conservatively 25% higher than they would be otherwise. I think an initiative that expressly forbids requiring prevailing-wage -- or at least redefines it to something more accurate than what union workers are getting -- is in order.

19 posted on 06/19/2004 9:14:26 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: ElliotFladen
True - Illegal to volunteer in California!

Your headline is misleading and false. There is nothing in your article that confirms your assertion that it is "illegal" to volunteer in California.

20 posted on 06/19/2004 9:17:53 AM PDT by asgardshill
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