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Conservatives React: 'Hate Crimes' Amendment Discriminatory
Crosswalk ^ | June 18th, 2004

Posted on 06/18/2004 6:28:44 AM PDT by missyme

Many conservatives say an amendment passed by the U.S. Senate this week which makes homosexuality a special class under the "hate crimes" law really doesn't make any sense.

In a 65-33 vote on Tuesday, the Senate added the amendment to the $447 billion defense authorization bill for next year. The measure would add three new categories of protected groups -- sexual orientation, gender, and disabilities -- to the civil-rights-era law on hate crimes.

"I cannot think of a more decent and Christian thing to do," Smith told the Washington Post in reference to the amendment's passage.

"When people are being stoned in the public square, we ought to come to their rescue." The Oregon lawmaker supports a ban on same-sex message, but told the press he thought it was important for the Senate to act against hate before dealing with the marriage issue.

According to press reports, the Senate is expected to act on the Federal Marriage Amendment on or about July 15.

But Republican Senator Sam Brownback, who voted against the amendment, does not believe the legislation is necessary. "Crimes against another person are crimes of hate, regardless of who the individual is," the lawmaker from Kansas says, adding that the new law would just make more work for those prosecuting the crimes.

"Some may say this is an additional tool, but it's an additional burden [to prosecutors] to prove mental intent of what ... the perpetrator intends to do."

Conservatives feel the whole premise of hate crimes is contrary to free speech in the U.S. One of those is Gary Bauer of the Campaign for Working Families, who says the Senate's action promotes discrimination.

"It gets the government in the business of trying to determine what a criminal is thinking when he commits a crime and whether he was motivated by hate," Bauer says. "Crime is crime -- and whether somebody is assaulting an 80-year-old grandmother or a 20-year-old gay man, the penalty ought to be severe in both cases."

Bauer contends the Senate was attacking a "straw man" when it stuck the amendment to the defense spending bill. "There are many laws on the books, all of which are enforced, to stop crimes of violence against any American regardless of their party affiliation, their sexual habits, their religion, or any other extraneous factor," he says.

Bauer says singling out specific punishments for crimes against certain groups is not compatible with equal justice for all.

Another pro-family advocate describes the amendment as a "blueprint for tyranny." Andrea Lafferty of Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) contends the legislation -- which she believes is backed by homosexual activists as a way of gaining special legal protections under federal law as a minority -- is designed to silence all opposition to the homosexual political agenda.

Her organization has been a long-time opponent of Kennedy's hate crime bill because it criminalizes a person's thoughts.

"Under hate crime legislation, it is likely that a sexual sadist who rapes a women would get a lesser sentence than a hate monger who beats up a homosexual," she says. "Where is the justice in that? Both are criminal acts and both are hateful. One shouldn't be treated differently than another."

Lafferty says TVC will be contacting churches nationwide, encouraging them to fight against what she describes as an "unneeded and dangerous threat" to freedom of religion and speech.

Traditional Values Coalition has published a list of the roll call vote on the amendment, which indicates Republican senators such as Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Virginia's George Allen and John Warner, and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania supported its passage.


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To: ChevyZ28
"Any and all "hate crimes bills" are an attempt in thought control."

Bingo.
21 posted on 06/18/2004 11:33:22 AM PDT by NJ_gent
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To: backhoe

The comments made on this thread have more wisdom, common sense, and truth that probably what is bloviated in the entire Senate from one month's end to the next.

Now if only Freepers were Senators instead of the horses' arses that so many are.

(Blanket apology to the noble race of horses everywhere.)


22 posted on 06/18/2004 12:21:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://www.mikegabbard.com - A REAL conservative running for US Congress.)
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To: All

this is my question, when it comes to "hate crimes". What if a gay gets beat up because he keyed your vehicle or something, or someone of another race? There is nothing in place to KEEP them from calling the "hate crime" card even if it wasn't accurate.

But then, these days, and I DO say this from experience, whites are the only ones that are considered racist. I've been called it several times, because I'm white (which I'm really not but most people don't stop to ask)but then, I'm given "special treatment" when applying for jobs and whatnot if I put down my real heritage on the application, so exactly what is considered a "hate crime"?


23 posted on 06/18/2004 1:11:26 PM PDT by Rushgrrl (....as Kerry waits to see what the majority thinks before speaking out....)
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To: combat_boots
"In reality, this language can be used to make a legal argument that standing is negated automatically by anyone in any religious or public forum that is, for example, anti-homosexual. Thus, religious beliefs which do not espouse open acceptance and approval of the gay community are therefore acting unlawfully, using the "hate speech" concept of this amendment. Freedom of religion or speech is therefore logically suspended on constitutional grounds."

This will happen. It's on the agenda, as far as I can discern. I don't recall anyone saying it openly - but I bet somebody has.

As far a religions go, it'll only be applied to Christianity and some branches of Judaism. We're into the times where good is called evil and evil is called good. Persecution of believers for His name's sake has already begun, and will get a lot worse before it gets better.
24 posted on 06/18/2004 10:09:26 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Ursa63
"This is so messed up. I fear that not even mass violence and civil war will ever stop this madness. Unfortunately, the government is so thoroughly infiltrated with these disgusting perverts, it will eventually side with them anyway. Besides, 2Timothy 3 foretold this situation. These are the "critical times". God help us."

I agree with everything you said. Mass violence won't stop the increasing madness in the country, but the madness might inspire violence and/or civil war eventually. I've been trying to be optimistic about all this, but I can't anymore.
25 posted on 06/18/2004 10:13:59 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: goldstategop
"They'll ban the Bible next."

Yep. I think it's part of a long-range plan.
26 posted on 06/18/2004 10:16:15 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Rushgrrl
"But then, these days, and I DO say this from experience, whites are the only ones that are considered racist. I've been called it several times, because I'm white (which I'm really not but most people don't stop to ask)but then, I'm given "special treatment" when applying for jobs and whatnot if I put down my real heritage on the application, so exactly what is considered a "hate crime"?"

I'm in a similar situation. I'm part Indian (American), part white, and look white. I could put down that I'm Indian and get special treatment. But I don't, because I'm opposed to preferential treatment based on race.

Sometimes I think that certain people are thought as hate crimes by the PC crowd. I'm white, male, straight, Christian, conservative and Southern. To their way of thinking, that means I'm racist, sexist, homophobic, intolerant, fascist and racist(again) - in other words, their version of evil incarnate - just by existing. And Doubleplusungood as well!
27 posted on 06/18/2004 10:30:50 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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While reading and posting I had a chilling thought. What if it becomes possible to be convicted of a hate crime without doing anything?

Anyone remember that slogan the homosexual lobby had a few years ago, "Silence is the voice of complicity"? That was about AIDS, ostensibly, but they might try to apply it again, to anyone who says nothing to praise homosexuality loudly and often. They could say that the person's silence indicates his complicity in hatred of gays. Bingo - instant hate crime. Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't put it past them to try this. Nor would I put it past some PC judge to go along with it.
28 posted on 06/18/2004 10:39:32 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: missyme

Nary a peep about introducing "special laws" protecting children from homosexuals.


29 posted on 06/18/2004 10:41:15 PM PDT by wolficatZ (_><))))*>__( D-DAY +12 *** U-767 sunk!***)
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To: missyme
"When people are being stoned in the public square, we ought to come to their rescue."

Who let this banshee loose?

30 posted on 06/18/2004 10:45:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: wolficatZ
Nary a peep about introducing "special laws" protecting children from homosexuals.

Watch out! Pedofilia is also a sexual orientation.

31 posted on 06/19/2004 7:07:19 PM PDT by A. Pole ("When they start beheading your own people[...], then you will know what this is all about." - Slobo)
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