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THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE (Must Read! -World War IV)
Insider Report ^ | FR Post 6-16-2004 | Larry Abraham

Posted on 06/16/2004 6:07:04 PM PDT by vannrox

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Really a worth while read.
1 posted on 06/16/2004 6:07:06 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox

"Really a worth while read."

It certainly is. I made several copies and have distributed them.

A while back, in an earlier thread, questions were raised. I inquired of the author and was given a swift reply.


2 posted on 06/16/2004 6:17:44 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: sauropod

read later


3 posted on 06/16/2004 6:23:09 PM PDT by sauropod (Which would you prefer? "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" or "I did not have sex with that woman?)
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Bttt


4 posted on 06/16/2004 6:33:41 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: vannrox

The key to islam is the life of the 'prophet' - kill mohammed and islam dies. Read the biography that explains how the koran was 'revealed' to a psychopath.

Mel Gibson made a film about Jesus. I think it's time for a blockbuster movie on the subject of muhammad. Edward Sell's biography, published in 1913 is filled with arabic sources - the truth can not be denied.

People will not take the time to study history or read a book, but they will go to see a film. Give them the truth as entertainment. THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD needs to be in flashing lights all over the world.

Hey, read the book - it's free, click on Fred Nerks.


5 posted on 06/16/2004 6:45:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understanding Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Click Fred Nerks.)
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To: vannrox

big bump


6 posted on 06/16/2004 6:48:20 PM PDT by Khurkris (Will the wind ever remember the names it has blown in the past, It whispers no this will be the last)
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To: vannrox

bumpo


7 posted on 06/16/2004 6:53:48 PM PDT by prophetic
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To: vannrox
The portion of Abraham's article outlining the spread of Islam and the issues that faced the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire can be found in Hilaire Belloc's The Great Heresies in the 4th chapter.

One critique I have of Belloc's book is that he doesn't refute the heresies with Scripture. Jesus refuted the Accuser using the Old Testament alone when Jesus fasted for 40 days in the desert, for example.

8 posted on 06/16/2004 6:55:56 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: vannrox

Bump


9 posted on 06/16/2004 7:04:12 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (President Reagan: A life well lived, he will be missed.)
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To: wingman1

A biz associate fwd this essay to me just this past Monday. We were talking about the mall bomb plot in Columbus, Ohio.

I could not find enough info via google on the author's bio. From his website www.insiderreport.net/ I think he's a gold speculator with a fee newsletter.

What are his credentials to postulate on this "Third Great Jihad"

TIA


10 posted on 06/16/2004 7:05:00 PM PDT by Captiva (DVC)
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To: vannrox; wingman1; sauropod; ijcr; Riley; mo; DoctorMichael; Fred Nerks; Khurkris; prophetic; ...
Totally true. This is indeed a clash of civilizations, and people need to wake up to that fact. Yesterday i was in the gents (don't ask) listening to this dude talking on O'Reilly's show. Basically the guy (some member of some think-tank thingimajig) was advocating 'negotiations with the terrorists.' Honestly I just started to shout .....I even surprised myself.

How do you in goodness name negotiate with terrorists?

The guy was saying that it worked against the Soviets and all that, and hence it would work against al Queda and its ilk. And that, in my opinion, is the biggest weapon that Islamic-based terrorism has against the West (especially the US, which has been largely sheltered from its effects sans 9-11. True, there have been attacks long before 9-11, but those did not hit home at all. They were 'overseas'). Islamic-based terrorism is viewed by many in the public as just another nefarious enemy. As the 'thing that took over the vacuum left by the Soviets.' The funny thing is that they are totally different beasts!

The USSR had the ability to destroy our way of life .....as we had the power to smite them in a nigh biblical manner! Their brain-boxes were thinking of stratagems of gaining the upper hand over us, while our master-planners were delving into ways of winning over them. It was a game whereby any stupid move would lead to certain destruction on both sides .....there would have been no true winner, only relativity and radioactivity.

However the Soviets were better than the Islamic hordes! Why? Because they were people who acted like people. They had dreams and aspirations beyond 'crushing the US' (even Kruschev LOL). They loved their kids. And they did not believe there was a god demanding the death of Americans and promising virgins for matyrdom.

Al Queda and its ilk are different. Usama himself has said it is a religious mandate to nuke the US. We all saw people drive airplanes into buildings! Every so often we here of some loony in Israel blowing himself/herself up in some cafe or marketplace!

They are not logical. Thus they cannot be negotiated with. If they ever agreed to any of our demands it would only mean they are buying for time. There is no way they will ever stop unless we stop them.

However there are people (like the 'gent') who think that terrorists can be negotiated with. They fail to see the true nature of the horror and enemy we face ...or maybe they do, but find it easier to imagine them as 'maligned folk who can be reasoned with and placated.' Goodness ....even the French don't p^$$yfoot with Islamic terror (the things they do to Algerian terrorists in France makes Abu Ghraib, the Dems fave wag-the-finger-topic, seem like a summer picnic). Simply because Al Queda and its ilk are as different from Western (and Westernized) civilization as one can go without sprouting tentancles and growing third eyes!

Oh, and if the Democrats want to use Al Queda as a tactical tool against the Bush administration they need to realize that in the perception of terrorists the only difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry is taller and Bush likes cowboy hats! The important thing to Al Queda is both are American!

And if Kerry doubts that then he needs to ask the 200+ Kenyans who died and 2,000+ injured in '98 so that Usama could kill 12 Americans in the embassy; or the tourists who died in Bali; or the Iraqis who died in the car blast this week in order to get a couple of Americans! If the terrorists are willing to slay a score, dozens, even hundreds of non-Americans in order to get a number of Americans, what would they do if they were able to sneak into this country and do something huge? If the enemy is willing to destroy myriads of non-Americans in order to get even one American, what then would he do to Americans if he had the ability to 'touch' them?

Now, any prudent 3rd grader would say 9-11, but it seems as if many in the left (and right) have thought 9-11 was just an abberation. It wasn't ....it was a harbinger of what is to come unless we stop treating this fight for our lives as some minstrel show and start viewing, and treating it, as an ongoing global war!

11 posted on 06/16/2004 7:07:18 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: spetznaz

here = hear.


12 posted on 06/16/2004 7:10:01 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: vannrox; Fred Nerks

Thanks for the very good post; links.


13 posted on 06/16/2004 7:11:11 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: spetznaz

We need exterminators. That's what you do with cockroaches, isn't it? You don't negotiate with rats.


14 posted on 06/16/2004 7:12:37 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (President Reagan: A life well lived, he will be missed.)
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To: vannrox

bump


15 posted on 06/16/2004 7:14:18 PM PDT by rudypoot (Rat line = Routes that foreign fighters use to enter Iraq.)
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To: vannrox

Excellent read. Jimmie Carter is an anti-American POS!


16 posted on 06/16/2004 7:14:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
Very interesting indeed, but I am not sure about this:

"It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites. "

While the Khomeini Shi'ites are, from my perspective, not to far removed from the Wahhabis, they are still pretty actively killing each other.
17 posted on 06/16/2004 7:17:59 PM PDT by dinasour
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To: vannrox

good read, but trouble with the " marks?


18 posted on 06/16/2004 7:18:29 PM PDT by bitt
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To: vannrox; Cindy; nw_arizona_granny

Ping


19 posted on 06/16/2004 7:33:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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To: vannrox; LiteKeeper

Ping


20 posted on 06/16/2004 7:34:02 PM PDT by Calpernia (When you bite the hand that feeds you, you eventually run out of food.)
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