YOU, FM, attempted to defend and excuse the crime against humanity that was the Inquisition.
I wonder if you even bothered to read the article or if you just stormed in here with preconceived notions and lashed out at the nearest Catholic poster. The Inquisition is easy to defend if you understand the existence of One True Religion and the life of grace. Profession of heresy against the teaching of the Church destroys that life of grace and places you at enmity with God. The Church exists to save souls and therefore resorted to tribunals to root out those spreading heresy for the good of souls. The punishment was exacted by the State because it saw its end as consonant with that of the Church. A portion of the article bears repeating:
"Obviously, the vision of the world which underlies the logic of the Inquisition rests upon the principle of the objective reality of truth and error, on the certitude of the Catholic faith, and on the belief in eternal damnation. These ideas are quite simply incapable of being assimilated by modern minds steeped in relativism. Indeed, a relativist is incapable of understanding the phenomenon of the Inquisition. He will be scandalized by the barbarity of the past ages and by the obscurantism of the Church; he will be satisfied to make judgments inappropriate to the times being judged."
YOU, FM, are the one who called for America to be a religious dictatorship.
You have your preferences; I have mine. I want the re-establishment of Christendom; you want a licentious society restrained by political solutions.
YOU, FM, are the one who "damned" an entire sect of Christianity to Hell.
I didn't (and can't) damn anyone; I merely pointed to a system of beliefs that contradicts those taught by Christ and drew the obvious conclusion. God will judge; I'm just a voice crying in the wilderness.
YOU, FM, claimed the SOLE "truth" of the universe for your OWN religion.
Exclusivist, triumphalist, and intolerant - guilty on all three counts. But Catholicism is not my religion - it is God's and exists for all those who seek Him.
Myself and others rightfully called you on that, questioned it, and denounced the hateful, bigoted, and anti-American statements you and other fanatics made.
If what I perceive as the truth is "hateful" and "bigoted," then so be it. Concerning "anti-Americanism": In the pluralist world that you live in, am I not allowed to have my own opinion and disagree with the current Administration?
You, however, are so far gone that you are unable to even see why your insane rantings might bother us. Why they are counter to EVERYTHING this country stands for.
I know exactly why my words bother you: Because they are intolerant of error and you are a pluralist. So why, given the "multitude of truths" that you think exist in the world, are you concerned with my contradicting what you think this country stands for?
So now, you accuse US of hate! I'd laugh if your hypocrisy weren't so outright sickening. What a cowardly refuge you take, instead of even attempting any defense of your views!
I believe I said "name-calling, blasphemy, irreverance...and taking the Lord's Name in vain." I don't see anything about "hate," but feel free to keep putting words in my mouth - it really gives you credibility.
And make no mistake, cowardly is what it is. You are like all those trolls on this forum who come here spouting one or another type of extremist hate or insanity, and are shocked, shocked! that honest, decent conservatives and libertarians condemn, denounce, and vilify them. They are dumbfounded that they so misjudged FReepers as being as psycho as they, so wrongly. However, like you, they will never examine the fallacies in their own paranoid beliefs, having taken such care to construct a mental house-of-cards to support their mania.
Again, I'm not shocked, but I wouldn't consider you "decent" by any means from your discourses. As for my "house-of-cards," I would gladly place it over your ideology anyday.
It is noteworthy that you bolted as soon as the heat came on in full force, along with the questions you preferred not to answer. Now, you return for a quickie, hit-and-run post like the cackle of a witch escaping on her broom after her castle is destroyed.
I went away for the weekend. Honestly. I had no internet access. Really. Your analogy is somewhat amusing, though, but I think you're putting a little too much creativity into what are essentially snide insults.
Enjoy your twisted, evil world. Rest assured, you occupy it quite alone.
Actually, if you'll refer back to the posts, I had a few defenders. It was only when you lost it that most people who couldn't stand to read your childish tantrums headed for the hills.
It is one of America's triumphs as a free nation that it will, with God's good help, and that of a few Patriots, NEVER become the Hell-On-Earth that those of your ilk have tried to construct for so many centuries, and spilt so much blood and pain pursuing.
I recall Christendom lasting for over a thousand years; America has been around for 225 or so. I also recall the 20th century being the bloodiest century in recorded history - all for the sake of secular ideology.
Your fear and cowardice here proves the weakness and utter uselessness of your course. I truly hope reason once again reaches you. Or, failing that, perhaps honesty...as I am still unconvinced that you are not some troll hoping to sow dissent in conservative ranks, or bring disdain upon us.
I'm just a boy who loves his Momma, sir.
I, and many others have bookmarked this thread. Any other time you arrive to make points or posts, rest assured your words will reappear to show others just how "credible" those views are.
I'd be delighted to see my words again. Of course, post #30 was a real gem, but someone felt like wetting their pants to the moderator about it. If you want to see those words again, I may have to repeat myself.
I might get banned for a post like this, but it is worth it to bring to light ther kind of mania and diseased thinking that has given the Left such a handy club to bash conservatism with ove the decades. SOMEONE must call you fanatics on your nonsense, SOMEONE has to proclaim that we are NOT all so blinded by mania and darkness of spirit that we would all embrace such an evil knotting of religion and our countries' ideals as you support.
I don't forsee you getting banned, as I think the moderator has thicker skin than you. Regarding "bashing," you make yourself an easy target because you allow your anger to get the best of you, versus trying to make a logical argument. In fact, other than calling me a "fanatic," repeating my statements, and contradicting me, you've really had nothing interesting to say. Should I think of you as that formidable "SOMEONE"?
People like you have done quite enough over the years to bring the Right down.
I think the so-called "Right" have done a sufficient job by themselves in the last few years by shifting to Left-of-Center. The "conservatives" of today resemble nothing of those 50 years ago - so what exactly are they conserving?
It is time that you were cast down like the burrowing leeches on Freedom and Liberty that you are.
Ha - "I'd like to close this rant with a simile and a reference to the two great pillars of my ideology: Freedom (from thought) and Liberty (from God)."
Now, don't go thinking I want to continue this silly and pointless conversation with you. Just post a few more insults to me, if you wish, and be on your way.
Sure, by torturing people to death, imprisoning them for no reason without any fair trials, and stealing their property and freedom. With friends like that...
" he will be satisfied to make judgments inappropriate to the times being judged."
The same claptrap is used nowadays to defend the Islamist terrorists...it's the CULTURE, and we shouldn't judge, eh? The things done in the Inquisition are WRONG, no matter WHAT age they occur in. You would apparently prefer that no one say, "Never Again". No different from Holocaust deniers.
" I merely pointed to a system of beliefs that contradicts those taught by Christ and drew the obvious conclusion."
Funny, I always thought that Protestants belived in Jesus and the Bible. They just comitted the "sin" of not shopping for them at YOUR store.
"Exclusivist, triumphalist, and intolerant - guilty on all three counts. But Catholicism is not my religion - it is God's and exists for all those who seek Him."
And none must ever dare question it, right? Free Will must really cost you some sleep.
"If what I perceive as the truth is "hateful" and "bigoted," then so be it. Concerning "anti-Americanism": In the pluralist world that you live in, am I not allowed to have my own opinion and disagree with the current Administration?"
It is not the Administration or even the President that you disagree with, let's not be coy. It is the entire Constitution. That document is one I swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic...which now, apparently, includes YOU.
"I know exactly why my words bother you: Because they are intolerant of error and you are a pluralist. So why, given the "multitude of truths" that you think exist in the world, are you concerned with my contradicting what you think this country stands for?"
Your words bother me because they go against the very essence of what this country was founded upon. And it's not what I THINK...the Declaration Of Independance and Constitution make this abundantly clear. Maybe you should read THEM sometime. BTW, you know exactly NOTHING of how I view the world. You just think you do...egotistical fanatics are like that.
"Again, I'm not shocked, but I wouldn't consider you "decent" by any means from your discourses. As for my "house-of-cards," I would gladly place it over your ideology anyday."
Considering that your idea of "decent" apparently includes disdain for the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom, support for censorship of thought and word, and a relishing of cruelty and despotism, I'll take that as a high compliment. And as for your "house of cards", mine built the greatest, freest country in the history of the world. Yours repressed it for millennia.
"Actually, if you'll refer back to the posts, I had a few defenders. It was only when you lost it that most people who couldn't stand to read your childish tantrums headed for the hills."
Very few. And they followed you straight for the tall grass.
"I recall Christendom lasting for over a thousand years; America has been around for 225 or so. I also recall the 20th century being the bloodiest century in recorded history - all for the sake of secular ideology."
And in that time, Christendom has comitted sins which it is now owning up to, consistent with its ORIGINAL teachings. You would have it revert back to its darkest days. In 225 years, America has accomplished things that those Inquisitors you ape could only have dreampt of, if they but had even that freedom.
" I'd be delighted to see my words again."
Of course you would. Egotists are like that. Unfortunately, they only truly show you for what you are...a totalitarian.
Irrelevant. The Church is free to kick out anyone who disagrees with its teachings. However, using violence on non-believers makes a church no better than the Islamists who blow up buildings and murder innocents.
The punishment was exacted by the State because it saw its end as consonant with that of the Church.
The state has no business furthering religious ends. Are you a fan of Sharia law?
Obviously, the vision of the world which underlies the logic of the Inquisition
There is no logic to the Inquisition. Only ignorant primitivism and medieval brutality. Anything else is rationalization.
I want the re-establishment of Christendom; you want a licentious society restrained by political solutions
Utter BS. You want a society where people are forced by the government to worship a particular way. You are free to practice whatever form of Christianity you desire. However, try and impose your religion on the rest of us and you'll find that Americans' 1st Amendment rights are well-protected by their 2nd Amendment rights.