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To: Fifthmark
Profession of heresy against the teaching of the Church destroys that life of grace and places you at enmity with God. The Church exists to save souls and therefore resorted to tribunals to root out those spreading heresy for the good of souls.

Irrelevant. The Church is free to kick out anyone who disagrees with its teachings. However, using violence on non-believers makes a church no better than the Islamists who blow up buildings and murder innocents.

The punishment was exacted by the State because it saw its end as consonant with that of the Church.

The state has no business furthering religious ends. Are you a fan of Sharia law?

Obviously, the vision of the world which underlies the logic of the Inquisition

There is no logic to the Inquisition. Only ignorant primitivism and medieval brutality. Anything else is rationalization.

I want the re-establishment of Christendom; you want a licentious society restrained by political solutions

Utter BS. You want a society where people are forced by the government to worship a particular way. You are free to practice whatever form of Christianity you desire. However, try and impose your religion on the rest of us and you'll find that Americans' 1st Amendment rights are well-protected by their 2nd Amendment rights.

262 posted on 06/22/2004 8:01:52 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman
Here you go:

http://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/149/

Instead of posting knee-jerk reactions to the idea of a Church-State relationship, perhaps you could read and understand the history of Christendom.

Utter BS. You want a society where people are forced by the government to worship a particular way. You are free to practice whatever form of Christianity you desire. However, try and impose your religion on the rest of us and you'll find that Americans' 1st Amendment rights are well-protected by their 2nd Amendment rights.

Sounds like a vague threat of physical violence. Are you really that upset? You should step back and realize that, even if you are unaware, you have freely accepted a new religion under the form of "liberal humanism," imposed on you by the culture at large, which blinds you to the idea of a true God and the true worship due to Him.

Perhaps Pope Leo XIII's encyclical "Immortale Dei" will give you insight into how the Church has traditionally regarded its relationship with the State:

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sta.htm

263 posted on 06/22/2004 9:09:00 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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