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To: Fifthmark
" The Church exists to save souls and therefore resorted to tribunals to root out those spreading heresy for the good of souls."

Sure, by torturing people to death, imprisoning them for no reason without any fair trials, and stealing their property and freedom. With friends like that...

" he will be satisfied to make judgments inappropriate to the times being judged."

The same claptrap is used nowadays to defend the Islamist terrorists...it's the CULTURE, and we shouldn't judge, eh? The things done in the Inquisition are WRONG, no matter WHAT age they occur in. You would apparently prefer that no one say, "Never Again". No different from Holocaust deniers.

" I merely pointed to a system of beliefs that contradicts those taught by Christ and drew the obvious conclusion."

Funny, I always thought that Protestants belived in Jesus and the Bible. They just comitted the "sin" of not shopping for them at YOUR store.

"Exclusivist, triumphalist, and intolerant - guilty on all three counts. But Catholicism is not my religion - it is God's and exists for all those who seek Him."

And none must ever dare question it, right? Free Will must really cost you some sleep.

"If what I perceive as the truth is "hateful" and "bigoted," then so be it. Concerning "anti-Americanism": In the pluralist world that you live in, am I not allowed to have my own opinion and disagree with the current Administration?"

It is not the Administration or even the President that you disagree with, let's not be coy. It is the entire Constitution. That document is one I swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic...which now, apparently, includes YOU.

"I know exactly why my words bother you: Because they are intolerant of error and you are a pluralist. So why, given the "multitude of truths" that you think exist in the world, are you concerned with my contradicting what you think this country stands for?"

Your words bother me because they go against the very essence of what this country was founded upon. And it's not what I THINK...the Declaration Of Independance and Constitution make this abundantly clear. Maybe you should read THEM sometime. BTW, you know exactly NOTHING of how I view the world. You just think you do...egotistical fanatics are like that.

"Again, I'm not shocked, but I wouldn't consider you "decent" by any means from your discourses. As for my "house-of-cards," I would gladly place it over your ideology anyday."

Considering that your idea of "decent" apparently includes disdain for the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom, support for censorship of thought and word, and a relishing of cruelty and despotism, I'll take that as a high compliment. And as for your "house of cards", mine built the greatest, freest country in the history of the world. Yours repressed it for millennia.

"Actually, if you'll refer back to the posts, I had a few defenders. It was only when you lost it that most people who couldn't stand to read your childish tantrums headed for the hills."

Very few. And they followed you straight for the tall grass.

"I recall Christendom lasting for over a thousand years; America has been around for 225 or so. I also recall the 20th century being the bloodiest century in recorded history - all for the sake of secular ideology."

And in that time, Christendom has comitted sins which it is now owning up to, consistent with its ORIGINAL teachings. You would have it revert back to its darkest days. In 225 years, America has accomplished things that those Inquisitors you ape could only have dreampt of, if they but had even that freedom.

" I'd be delighted to see my words again."

Of course you would. Egotists are like that. Unfortunately, they only truly show you for what you are...a totalitarian.

255 posted on 06/21/2004 7:49:01 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut

"The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite" (Ecclesiates i.15).


260 posted on 06/22/2004 4:30:57 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Long Cut
Sure, by torturing people to death, imprisoning them for no reason without any fair trials, and stealing their property and freedom. With friends like that...

You can play off your misrepresentation of history all you like - I'll stick to what the historians say.

The same claptrap is used nowadays to defend the Islamist terrorists...it's the CULTURE, and we shouldn't judge, eh? The things done in the Inquisition are WRONG, no matter WHAT age they occur in. You would apparently prefer that no one say, "Never Again". No different from Holocaust deniers.

Your logic is ineffably flawed - because I consider the era in which the Inquisition took place, I am akin to a Holocaust denier? Laughable.

Funny, I always thought that Protestants belived in Jesus and the Bible. They just comitted the "sin" of not shopping for them at YOUR store.

Protestantism is religious rationalism whereby "belief" is derived from interpretation of Scripture and through keeping the customs of each particular sect. It does not stand up to intellectual or historical analysis.

And none must ever dare question it, right? Free Will must really cost you some sleep.

You can question it all you want, if you're so inclined. And no, free will doesn't keep me up at night, but thinking of the poor souls who abuse it and don't give God the respect and worship He deserves might.

It is not the Administration or even the President that you disagree with, let's not be coy. It is the entire Constitution. That document is one I swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic...which now, apparently, includes YOU.

That's a rather rash judgment based on incomplete evidence, don't you think? I might disagree with the INTERPRETATION of a few points - such as the fabricated "right to privacy" extending to abortion, the "non-establishment" clause read as "separation of Church and State," and "freedom of speech" extending to the most vile forms of violence and pornography in music and movies, to name a few - and I would of course prefer the union, or at least the cooperation, of the Church and State as seen in Christendom, but I do not disagree with the entire Constution as you state.

Your words bother me because they go against the very essence of what this country was founded upon.

My preference is a Catholic country to a pluralist one. But I try to make the best of current situation.

BTW, you know exactly NOTHING of how I view the world. You just think you do...egotistical fanatics are like that.

The list of adjectives grows longer. I think we should both be wary of making assumptions.

Considering that your idea of "decent" apparently includes disdain for the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom, support for censorship of thought and word, and a relishing of cruelty and despotism, I'll take that as a high compliment. And as for your "house of cards", mine built the greatest, freest country in the history of the world. Yours repressed it for millennia.

I'd be interested in your working definitions of "Liberty" and "Freedom," which are probably similar to a working definition of hedonism.

And in that time, Christendom has comitted sins which it is now owning up to, consistent with its ORIGINAL teachings. You would have it revert back to its darkest days. In 225 years, America has accomplished things that those Inquisitors you ape could only have dreampt of, if they but had even that freedom.

The Inquisitors didn't hope for a pluralist country in which God would be but an afterthought for most of its citizens, so your revisionism falls flat.

Of course you would. Egotists are like that. Unfortunately, they only truly show you for what you are...a totalitarian.

That's it. After work, I will immediately place an American flag "Power of Pride" sticker on my car to redeem myself.

261 posted on 06/22/2004 5:53:25 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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