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I could use some in put.
1 posted on 06/14/2004 8:49:32 AM PDT by oompa-loompa
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To: oompa-loompa

As if kerry won't run screaming from any conflict...


2 posted on 06/14/2004 8:51:40 AM PDT by null and void (History is not a tale of self-restraint, and change is accelerating all the time.)
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To: oompa-loompa

Provided Kerry stays the course and finishes the Job over there yes, however if he pulls a Carter and just exits us because he's a Detaunt appeaser, and allows Iraq to fall into chaos then No.

We cannot leave Iraq until the Iraqi government is stable and able to defend itself from the vast attempts by many organizations, mostly exterior to Iraq to destroy it.


3 posted on 06/14/2004 8:53:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: oompa-loompa

We don't blindly support the President on war issues, but reasoned thought about the issue cause many/most conservatives to agree with the way things are going. The question assumes a great deal of unthinking, blind Dubya-worship, which invalidates the question.


4 posted on 06/14/2004 8:53:49 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: oompa-loompa
Kerry has made it plain he's a shill for the United Nations.

I cannot support a man who values thugs and dictators and their Appeasers and Collaborators over the United States of America.

5 posted on 06/14/2004 8:54:10 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. ©)
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To: oompa-loompa

Didn't we support the troops in Kosovo?


6 posted on 06/14/2004 8:54:12 AM PDT by KJacob (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.)
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To: oompa-loompa; CSM
My first thought is that if Kerry were elected, God forbid, and he continued to fight the war on terror, wherever that takes us, in good faith, then we should support him. If he decides to be a coward and pull out troops from Iraq at the first possible moment, then we CANNOT support him.
7 posted on 06/14/2004 8:54:25 AM PDT by wmichgrad
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To: oompa-loompa

This is my biggest fear, that Kerry would be elected president.

I guess I would respond to a person like this that the very thought of Kerry being Commander-in Chief so terrifies me that I will be working very hard to get the vote out for Bush.


8 posted on 06/14/2004 8:55:08 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: oompa-loompa
Hoist on your own petard, eh?

Yes, if you have consistent principles, you are obligated to shut up and support the President, whoever he is.

That's why I never make the "shut up and stand behind the President" argument, preferring instead to stick to points that can be defended.

9 posted on 06/14/2004 8:55:08 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (Get 'em by the b@lls and their hearts and minds will follow.)
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To: oompa-loompa

Sure. We can support Kerry for the 15 minutes it takes for him to make the decision to pull the troops out...


10 posted on 06/14/2004 8:55:12 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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To: oompa-loompa

No-one's talking about blind support. This is about strategy and tactics. Appeasement, to my mind, is a non-starter. And Kerry's talking about appeasement.


11 posted on 06/14/2004 8:55:16 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: oompa-loompa

First, there's no such thing as a "left-wing moderate", and certainly not a "screaming" one. No "moderate" attended any anti-war demonstration post 9/11, it's a contradiction in terms. So the person you are talking to is inherently dishonest and has announced that up front. You should take this into account when formulating your answer.

The choice between Bush and Kerry is this: Shall we fight this war to win, or are we willing to accept however many dead result from the cowardice of appeasement and isolationism? By voting Bush, one makes the statement that one is not willing to accept the murder of Americans by jihadis. By voting Kerry, one says that one is perfectly willing to sacrifice one's fellow Americans for no benefit other than a very brief period of smug self-righteous sanctimoniousness.


12 posted on 06/14/2004 8:55:17 AM PDT by thoughtomator (No Gays = No AIDS; No Arabs = No Terror; No French = No Appeasement)
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To: oompa-loompa
"blindly support him "

No one should blindly support him or Bush. Nor should they blindly oppose him or Bush.

It's the dishonesty of the anti-war crowd's arguments that are unpatriotic- not that they oppose the war.

13 posted on 06/14/2004 8:56:08 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: oompa-loompa

Welcome to FreeRepublic.


14 posted on 06/14/2004 8:56:12 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Toto27; Hillarys nightmare

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15 posted on 06/14/2004 8:56:20 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. ©)
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To: oompa-loompa
If Kerry wins in November, and we are still at war in the middle east, will conservatives keep quiet and blindly support him unitl the troops come home?"

It's a straw man. No one is demanding blind support. What we are asking for is that Americans in wartime show a preference for OUR side, the AMERICAN side. Calling the war illegitimate while our troops are on the ground, calling our leadership war criminals, paying more attention to the misfortune of some detained terrorists than to the efforts of our brave fighters is what we are complaining about. No matter who is president, I'd have said to her, I will be supporting our troops by supporting the mission and doing what I can to keep Americans united to win. When, my moderate friend, will you begin to do the same?

16 posted on 06/14/2004 8:56:32 AM PDT by Huck (We miss you Ronnie!)
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To: oompa-loompa

If and when you have another discussion with this leftist again, you might want to ask her what her position was on Clinton's 1999 action in Kosovo.

If she was silent, or worse, supported the action, then tell her she has ZERO credibility on Iraq.


18 posted on 06/14/2004 8:57:50 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: oompa-loompa
"a screaming left-wing moderate"

"Moderate" meaning she's slightly to the right of... Chairman Mao, occasionally?

19 posted on 06/14/2004 8:58:03 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: oompa-loompa
It's not about supporting President Bush, per se, but about supporting the war effort. Tim Russert mentioned a discussion that he had with his father during the Vietnam War that sums it up pretty nicely. I caught the story in mid-telling but I think the discussion happened as a response to Kent State. In any event, his father told him that it was OK to disagree with the President or with American policy but it was not OK to root for the other side, mentioning the protesters cheering Ho Chi Minh's name.

It's OK for your friend to oppose Bush. It's not OK for your friend to root against the US.

20 posted on 06/14/2004 8:58:35 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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"If Kerry wins in November, and we are still at war in the middle east, will conservatives keep quiet and blindly support him unitl the troops come home?"

Look at Kosovo, many conservatives questioned our involvement. Once the war started, there were not a bunch of conservatives screaming about 'where are the mass graves' or 'Clinton lied, people died' or kept debating the issue on any grounds. Once the war started, conservatives did unite behind not only our troops but our mission. Many may have felt it was misguided, but once involved are there to win. Liberals today cheer when our troops die and cheer the prison scandal.

21 posted on 06/14/2004 8:59:00 AM PDT by Always Right
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I have a friend who knows a guy who wanted to know if you asked her if she would disparage a President Kerry were he to use U.S. forces in the middle east.


22 posted on 06/14/2004 9:00:03 AM PDT by kenth
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