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Congress Toys With Forgiveness (NY Times in a snit)
NY TIMES ^ | 6/14/04 | EDITORIAL

Posted on 06/14/2004 7:56:10 AM PDT by Liz

It seems axiomatic in Congress that whenever a bill comes along that both parties agree must be passed, it becomes a magnet for every piece of pork, every political cause, every lobbyist giveaway.

The latest example is an urgently needed measure to end a $5 billion annual subsidy for American exporters that has put the nation in violation of international trade practices. Over the last few months, even as Europe began imposing billions in retaliatory tariffs on American industries, lawmakers have contrived to turn this relatively simple vehicle into a $100 billion gravy train.

More than 100 amendments throw everyone from Nascar entrepreneurs to dog-track owners and tobacco growers a piece of the action, even though they have nothing to do with the trade issue at hand. And now, just as House action is approaching, Republican leaders have added an outrageous sop for political-minded church leaders.

Under the proposal, churches that venture too zealously into politics would be allowed three "unintentional violations" of the law governing nonprofit organizations without risking immediate loss of their tax-exempt status. Wouldn't we all love such tax-code mercies?

This transparent bridge across the church-state divide comes as hustings-tempted clergy are already being openly enlisted by White House campaigners as "friendly congregations" for the November elections. The House proposal mocks honest clergy as much as the tax code.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: taxcode; taxes; taxreform; trade
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1 posted on 06/14/2004 7:56:11 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Law with all this pork should be vetoed. Even if expected not to hold be upheld.


2 posted on 06/14/2004 7:59:01 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Liz

If Bush has any integrity with respect to the budget and Constitution, he will veto the bill and return it to its sponsors with the advice that it will continue to be vetoed until it deals with only one issue and that is the removal of the illegal subsidy (illegal by world trade regs as well as the U. S. Constitution...the latter being a much shredded and insignificant document...)


3 posted on 06/14/2004 8:01:14 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: Liz
"Snit" or not, even the NYTimes gets it right on occasion. This appears to be one of those occasions.
4 posted on 06/14/2004 8:05:27 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer
Well, they're right, but wrong as well. Of all the things larded onto this bill, the only one that really upsets them is the forgiveness provision. Everything else is business-as-usual.
5 posted on 06/14/2004 8:13:57 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Liz
A lot of this Pork crap could be dealt with by a Line Item Veto.
6 posted on 06/14/2004 8:17:57 AM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: TX Bluebonnet

Bush if you do not veto this bill,add a big tax cut in it.


7 posted on 06/14/2004 8:23:36 AM PDT by jocko12
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To: TX Bluebonnet
A lot of this Pork crap could be dealt with by a Line Item Veto.

It was passed and signed in the 90's.

Sorry, the Supremes have ruled on this, it's not constitutional according to them.

I agree with you but a bunch of Senators, like KKK Bird sued and won.

8 posted on 06/14/2004 8:41:27 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Liz
Under the proposal, churches that venture too zealously into politics would be allowed three "unintentional violations" of the law governing nonprofit organizations without risking immediate loss of their tax-exempt status.

Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem has somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 “unitentional violations” in this area.

I’m still waiting for the NY Times to call for the immediate loss of their tax-exempt status.

9 posted on 06/14/2004 8:46:51 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Liz
clergy are already being openly enlisted by White House campaigners as "friendly congregations" for the November elections. The House proposal mocks honest clergy as much as the tax code.

Funny, I've never seen the Times take this position when Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton make campaign speeches in church.

10 posted on 06/14/2004 9:23:00 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Liz
The Foegiveness clause would pull some of the teeth from the IRS code constructed by FDR to silence critical remarks from the pulpit. Clinton gave us some examples of how this works.

Fredoom of speech? only if you pay for it.

11 posted on 06/14/2004 9:27:17 AM PDT by fella
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To: dead

Which is why this is, under the current conditions, the right thing to do. Churches that dont toe the DNC line should not be made to sit on the sidelines.


12 posted on 06/14/2004 9:31:07 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Liz

If Bush passes it, it will become HIS...


13 posted on 06/14/2004 9:39:42 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: CaptRon

Yeah, that is odd (snicker).


14 posted on 06/14/2004 9:39:52 AM PDT by Liz
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To: dead

I suggest you not hold your breath............


15 posted on 06/14/2004 9:41:20 AM PDT by Liz
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To: newgeezer

While I agree that the three strikes is inappropriate in a bill to end subsidies, the Slimes should have been just as outraged at all the pork, but only reacted and gave print space when it favored one of the only thing standing in the way of their agenda, religion.


16 posted on 06/14/2004 9:41:43 AM PDT by blanknoone (Europe says: "Let's give communism another try!")
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To: Liz
From the article: "The House proposal mocks honest clergy as much as the tax code."

There isn't anything "honest" about the church maintaining silence regarding politicians who support the killing of the unborn.

17 posted on 06/14/2004 10:07:05 AM PDT by William Tell (Californians! See "www.rkba.members.sonic.net" to support California RKBA.)
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To: William Tell
There isn't anything "honest" about the church maintaining silence regarding politicians who support the killing of the unborn.

Silence signifies approval. Clergy who fail to castigate the killing of unborn babies are just as guilty as elected individuals who support (and promote) this heinous practice.

18 posted on 06/14/2004 10:41:23 AM PDT by Liz
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To: newgeezer
even the NYTimes gets it right on occasion.

Naw, the Slime never get it right, because they demand (and you are allowing them) to be able to pick and choose. If one single standard is consistently applied the Slime would always support that which is pro-communist and anti-American, it's in their blood.

19 posted on 06/14/2004 10:51:13 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Joe Stalin still subscribes to the N.Y. Slime, in Hell.)
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Liz said: "Silence signifies approval. Clergy who fail to castigate the killing of unborn babies are just as guilty as elected individuals who support (and promote) this heinous practice."

I think the "silence" in this case extends only to the naming of specific politicians and the denial of the sacraments to those particular people.

The silence has been coerced on the church and in no way represents approval. But it has caused the Church to reduce emphasis, I think. Among the reasons that I am not a church-goer, is that the church too often teaches what is right but fails to hold those who do wrong accountable.

I am just reading Dumas' Celebrated Crimes, which among others details some of the crimes of the Church, various Popes, and the French Monarchy in the name of Catholicism. Rather than live in their times, I would prefer the "silence" of today.

20 posted on 06/14/2004 11:27:34 AM PDT by William Tell (Californians! See "www.rkba.members.sonic.net" to support California RKBA.)
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