Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Ten

Yahoo News ^ | 6-10-04 | AP

[JustPiper]

Picture credit: TheCabal

"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat"

LINK TO THREAD NINE

U.S. Charges Australian Linked to al-Qaida

WASHINGTON - An Australian held at the Navy's prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will face a military tribunal for allegedly training and fighting alongside members of al-Qaida in Afghanistan (news - web sites), the Pentagon (news - web sites) announced Thursday.

We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the enemy who wishes to do us harm

[JustPiper]

World's ports slow to tighten security

Thousands of ports will miss July 1 deadline to install safety measures
Monday, June 21, 2004

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsnews/211nd4.htm

Chicago plans to make security deadline

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsnews/215nd1.htm

[nw_arizona_granny]

Iran to Prosecute 8 British Crew - Iran TV

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157790/posts

[nw_arizona_granny]

This may have better information.

Iran to prosecute British Navy Sailors

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157789/posts

[Cindy]

ON THE NET...

An Interesting Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com Regarding an AP article: "IRAN TO PROSECUTE BRITISH NAVY SAILORS" (June 22, 2004) (Read More...)

An Interesting Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding a FOX NEWS.com Report --- Topic: "IRAN SEIZES THREE BRITISH NAVY SHIPS" (June 21, 2004) (Read More...)

FOX NEWS.com: "IMAGES SHOW IRAN MAY BE HIDING NUKE PLANTS" by Liza Porteus (June 18, 2004) (Read More...)

INSIGHT On The News online: "IRANIAN GROUP SEEKS RECRUITS FOR 'MARTYRDOM OPERATIONS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Insight Online has obtained a shocking recruitment appeal seeking Iranians to commit suicide in deadly attacks on Israel, against American-led coalition forces in Iraq, and on U.S. citizens around the world. Obtained from an Iranian recruiting group, the deadly appeal is unmistakable and to the point.") (June 8, 2004) (Read More...)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.US (HAARETZ.com): "HIZBALLAH SENDING COMBATANTS TO IRAQ" (June 21, 2004) (Read More...)

An Interesting Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding a NATIONALREVIEW.com - NRO article: "IRAQ & AL QAEDA" by Andrew C. McCarthy (June 17, 2004) (Read More...)

[Labyrinthos]

Low flying airplanes, helicopters; I never used to pay that much attention. Post 09.11, and my initial thought is always the worst.

[NothingMan]

"3 10's?"

sorry, i didn't follow

[bored at work]

"Well, the leaders are now in their bunkers, apparently" . . . what makes you say this jerseygirl?

[StillProud2BeFree]

I believe Amde is an Ethiopian name but I'm not sure.

[JustPiper]

From Chicago Freeper Chi-townChief:

Mosque foes betray American values

http://www.starnewspapers.com/star/spedit/all/06-ez4.htm

[Pegita]

Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that in Your hand is the life of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. May those who hold Kim as hostage be extraordinarily fearful of taking his life ... may they be restrained by the Power of the Holy Spirit unto the time of his release to safety. Thank You that everything is being done to effect his rescue ... grant success to the mission and safety for those participating.

Strengthen the resolve of all those who have joined the war against such evil, and gather many more to the fight, for the enemy is relentless and unspeakably cruel. You, alone, know the ones who will repent and those who will not. Bring the message of Your redeeming love to those in need ... for what profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul. In the Name of Jesus, we pray, Amen ...

[NothingMan]

"19 targets mayhaps?"

Possible. But they would have to be clustered in just a few cities if that were to be the case. They abandoned the west coast targets on 9/11 because of coordination problems, and the more extensive plans become, the more resources needed and the more risk they run of compromising operational security.

"19 suitcase nukes?"

I am pretty sure I was the first one to post on "suitcase nukes" (or "small atomic demolition munitions" (SADMs) - - including "backpack nukes") back on an earlier TM thread (though many have mentioned it on other FR threads since 9/11). Within a few days, a rumor started that 30-40 devices were prepositioned in American cities. It is not a credible threat. Many reasons, but the most glaring is the number. Just one would be an attack unlike any other in human history. It would require years if not a decade of planning. A much more extensive support and security operation than anything involved with 9/11. And compartmentalized so well that all the arrests since 9/11 have not managed to stumble across anyone with adequate knowledge to roll it up.

I like to think "outside the box" as well as the next person, but it's a numbers game at this point. If they had tried that before 9/11 (smuggling multiple SADMs with state support), it might have had a better chance because we were nowhere near as alert to the threat as we are now.

And if we buy the theory that the KGB had that many here at the end of the Cold War, you have to believe that after over a decade of searching, we have not uncovered them, and that an already behemoth-sized plot necessary to detonate all of them would have to be made even larger by having an ongoing maintenance and reconditioning program as few of them would likely work properly by now.

That being said, I think that it is likely they will continue to attempt a nuclear detonation on American soil. But I think they will not risk detection with something that grandiose (19 targets, or 30-40 targets). Three targets would be more feasible. (Or just one would probably have the desired effect for them. The rest would be overkill) If they really want to try to kill millions, they will do bio. But they place their host/sponsoring country (s) at risk of total annihilation, so there is a restaining factor on that end as well.

The Soviets did this on their SS-18s (we nicknamed it the "Satan" I think). After the initial targets here were hit with nukes, they had follow-on missiles with bomblets with bio-engineered, airborne smallpox (natural smallpox is spread only at close range) MIRVed on the SS-18s to clean up those of us who were unfortunate enough to survive the first wave of nuclear first strikes.

Nuclear is merely psychological. The portable weapons are low yield. If you think about it, the first plane that struck on 9/11 had the explosive power of 250 tons of TNT ( a quarter kiloton). SADMs are on the order of a few kilotons. "City busters" on missiles are hundreds of kilotons or even megaton-sized H-bombs (Instead of knocking down a few city blocks you make one big crater of the entire city). So hitting 30-40 targets with SADMs (even if you could) would probably not kill what one well-aimed city-buster could. It doesn't make sense.

If they are going to the trouble of setting up more than a handful of targets, it will be bio, not nuclear. But they have been focused on carrying off a nuclear detonation here for many years.

I heard a rumor (not sure how credible) well before 9/11 (at least a couple years) that somone had tried to ship a device into a major port and was caught. So (if true) this cat and mouse game has been going on for a while. And there have probably been attempts since 9/11. Law of averages - - no one can either be right all the time or wrong all the time. We will someday get sloppy, or they will get "lucky". But if you sit and think how many resources would be needed to smuggle just one (let along nineteen or forty), you'll see the problem they face. Every additional person you bring into planning and execution increases the risk you will be compromised.

The larger threat of a multiple attack right now is missiles sourced from the same state-sponsors of terror that enable the terrorists.

Martyrs are just another alternative delivery mechanism to missiles. But when all-out war comes, martyrs still have value, but it is degraded as the need for deniablity is lost (and has been to some extent since 9/11) and open war creates the possibility of missile launches (whether ballistic or offshore cruise missiles)which are much more effective.

"Any bio/chem represented by the number 19?"

I don't know.

[JustPiper]

I am going through Thread I for research and I've come across your names so far. What a trip to see what we were doing back than. I came across some interesting links I wanted to share for memories sake and why we first got involved on 11/3/03:

Tracked, Whacked and Now Owned by Lucifer - Al Neda Webmaster Shot Dead by Saudi Police
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/923302/posts?page=7

CIA says al Qaeda ready to use nukes
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030603-122052-2698r.htm

Al Qaeda Near Biological, Chemical Arms Production
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A12187-2003Mar22&notFound=true

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze43v8m/#Decade-Long%20Quest

Nine Nuclear Scientists Slip Out of Pakistan
http://www.satribune.com/archives/dec30_jan05_03/P1_Chashma.htm

Al Qaida Supporters Threaten Nuclear Attacks

http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=861

Saudi Arabia Identifies Those Arrested for Planning 'Terrorist Acts' in Medina
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921576/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1013726/posts?page=519#519

[JustPiper]

I would like to thank the three of you for all you have contributed to the first thread and wish you'd come back!

Al Qaeda Training Manual

http://www.totse.com/en/politics/terrorists_and_freedom_fighters/161710.html

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1013726/posts?page=568#568

Mansoor Ijaz on Greta Van Suesteren - Al Qaeda Planning on Hijacking Super Tankers!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999236/posts

[JustPiper]

Thank you Ma, what is 'your' number again? Is it 1495?

[JustPiper]

I logged off due to repeated problems with FR only, our 4,000 mark is nearing -g-

[JustPiper]

Ma explained it;) It was the date you posted.

[JustPiper]

Ma explained it;) It was the date you posted.

[JustPiper]

Thanks SP! He looked Arab but wasn't sure, but they are saying locally he was depressed etc. I found it strange in lived in a predominatly hispanic area and a gang infested area at that

[nw_arizona_granny]

1425 is the current muslim year

[JustPiper]

May those who hold Kim as hostage be extraordinarily fearful of taking his life ... may they be restrained by the Power of the Holy Spirit unto the time of his release to safety.

The deadline has passed...Dear God please watch over Kim- ~Amen