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Rep. Chris Smith, R-NJ

I believe Rep. Smith would have the Great Man backing him all the way.

Regards, Ivan


In memoriam

1 posted on 06/10/2004 2:21:34 AM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 06/10/2004 2:21:50 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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"It is unfortunate, and I believe in very bad taste, that some are attempting to use the passing of President Reagan to advance the small subcategory of stem cell research that involves the killing of human embryos," Smith said.

It is in bad taste and just plain disgusting.
3 posted on 06/10/2004 2:24:05 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: MadIvan

I can't believe that Nancy came out in favor of this research. I wonder, does she share the same faith as her husband?


4 posted on 06/10/2004 2:31:42 AM PDT by garylmoore (The word "gay" means to be happy not abnormal!)
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To: MadIvan

They need to start making statements about the availability of ADULT stem cells. Most in the general public are NOT aware they exist. You have to divert the attention away from the embryo research not just deny it's use. That makes you out the bad guy standing in the way of a cure, much like the same way people feel about peta standing in the way of using animals for research. You have to give a viable alternative.


13 posted on 06/10/2004 3:49:47 AM PDT by GailA (hanoi john kerry, I'm for the death penalty, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: MadIvan

even the Washington Post says stem cells wouldn't cure Alzheimer's...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29561-2004Jun9?language=printer

"....It is a distortion that some admit is not being aggressively corrected by scientists.

"..."To start with, people need a fairy tale," said Ronald D.G. McKay, a stem cell researcher at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. "Maybe that's unfair, but they need a story line that's relatively simple to understand."...

as the blogs say, read the whole thing.


14 posted on 06/10/2004 4:03:48 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: MadIvan
Bob Dole guilty of VERY bad taste to say the least. Last evening he opinied to Brokejaw that if 'they' really wanted to honor Reagan 'they' should allow stem cell research.

Just what Brokejaw wanted to hear.....something with which to cudgel the President.

15 posted on 06/10/2004 4:06:20 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: MadIvan

I agree with Smith. However,

>It is unfortunate, and I believe in very bad taste, that some are attempting to use the passing of President Reagan to advance the small subcategory of stem cell research that involves the killing of human embryos," Smith said.

is in extremely poor taste, since it describes the grieving widow herself. Smith's message needs to be repackaged, quickly.


18 posted on 06/10/2004 4:11:23 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: MadIvan
My mother had Alzheimer's ... it's a terrible decease and I would do almost anything to find a cure to prevent one to slowly slip away and lose their mind

But .. I cannot do so at the expense of another ones life
23 posted on 06/10/2004 6:11:06 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: katherine

...Chris Smith comes through again!


38 posted on 06/10/2004 8:33:18 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If we can keep it!)
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SUBJECT: Stem Cell Statements should lead to the REAL Question...

"Are we all cowards as we dance around the real issue? We should at least be brave enough to start by asking just one question: What if scientific medical research finds that embryonic stem cells are a cure for any disease or condition known to man and they could be used to prolong and improve human life indefinitely?
    ...would this change the argument?
or, at this point will the argument really just begin?"

- Van Jenerette
from Ten Foundations for America's Future
 


 HUMAN LIFE and RIGHTS   We have to respect and Protect All human life
 

To each individual their life is sacred. As a people, to begin to pass judgement or sentence on human life by age, quality, position or potential has the effect of placing a price or a measure on what can only be deemed a gift from our creator.

However, there is a paradox of life and rights:

Our rights as a people for individual-self-government are based upon the uniqueness of human life with rights granted by 'nature's God,' which in turn are protected by our Constitution.

One must follow the other, or else the entire argument of human rights becomes based on man's opinion. Either life with rights is given at the same time that life begins or we have no rights beyond which other men or governments are willing to allow us.

If we as a people do not respect the sacred notion of human LIFE how can we expect to have respect for RIGHTS that are dependent upon the concept of human LIFE itself?

Any society that diminishes the value of one life from another risks its very existence.


thoughts on human stem cells...

Nearly every discussion about the stem cell question has centered on the question of the sources of stem cells - adult versus embryonic - and the potential each has with regards to medicine - and of course the argument that some embryonic research had ended in disaster during research. To see the truth, I personnally believe that we should look at the stem cell argument from a totally new perspective.

I don't think that any of the questions so far are going to the heart of the matter. Are we all cowards as we dance around the real issue? We should at least be brave enough to start by asking just one question:

What if scientific medical research finds that embryonic stem cells are a cure for any disease or condition known to man and they could be used to prolong and improve human life indefinitely?

Would this change the argument? Or, at this point would the argument really just begin? Does it matter if embryonic stem cells are proven to be the medical equivalent of the elusive 'fountain of youth?'

Most civilized nations and people throughout history have been willing to sacrifice themselves so that the next generation will survive. Are we on the verge of becoming a people who are willing to sacrifice the next generation so that our current generation can continue to survive?

I don't think that it matters if we are capable of creating or using one life so that we can save another life. Either we respect all human life or we respect no human life. We cannot have it both ways at the same time.

The reason we as a people must have moral judgment and values which are clearly defined is that any action we take can and could be 'justified' from some practical standpoint. Our morality forces us to draw a line that we won't cross. It is only our sense of morality that allows us to be called human and it is only that which separates us from the jungle.

Once the line is moved from the moral high ground the very concept of morality becomes prosituted and becomes a matter of group or power opinions.

For example, if the Titantic were to sink today, using today's standards of morality and ethics - who would get to climb into the lifeboats first and who would be expected to go down with the ship? I'm not sure that today's society or medical community would stand back and save the women and children...

Any people who move from the position of protecting human life from its beginning to its end becomes just another part of the immoral mob - no better with any opinion - no worse without one. Just a mob.

In the end, the line that we draw on the argument of individual human life will become the line that is drawn to define individual human rights.


...post thoughts part I

As for the argument about the eventual destruction of frozen embryos - the 'they are going to die anyway' logic - history is full of examples of this 'foot-in-the-door' argument.

For background, read about the post WWII 'ethical' use of medical information that resulted from Nazi experiments on institutionalized and concentration camp men, women, and children. For starters, read about the following 'respected 'members of the WWII medical community including one who was a fellow of the Rockefeller Foundation:

Dr. Julius Hallervorden a distinguished academician, who occupied the Chair of Neuropathology at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institut in Berlin-Buch throughout the war years and following the war was a neuropathologist at the Max Planck Institute in Frankfurt. The following is a post-war quote from Hallervorden during an interview: "I heard that they were going to do that and so I went up to them and told them, 'Look here now, boys, if you are going to kill all those people, at least take the brains out so that the material could be utilized'." He is also is documented to have directed the selection of certain children for extermination and subsequent pathological studies as their brains were suitable for a research project.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher a researcher in neurophysiology and originally a Captain in the Luftwaffe Medical Service he wrote of his 'Experiments on Escape from High Altitude' where he had vivisection carried out on his subjects even prior to the heart completely stopping. He also experimented on exposure to hypothermia by the immersion of subjects in ice cold water and took part in a top secret report entitled "Freezing Experiments with Human Beings." Rascher was quite proud of his work with humans. "I am the only one in this whole crowd who really does and knows human physiology because I experiment on humans and not on guinea pigs or mice."

Dr. Georg Schaltenbrand a pre-eminent German clinical neuroscientist who had served as a fellow of the Rockefeller Foundation who used humans for multiple sclerosis experiments designed to find a cure for the disease.

"If the physician presumes to take into consideration in his work whether a life has value or not, the consequences are boundless and the physician becomes the most dangerous man in the state." - Christopher Hufeland, 18th century German physician


...post thoughts part II

To the great celebrities like Chistopher Reeves - Michael J. Fox - Mary Tyler Moore - or any pro-stem cell politicians if you really support the use of human embryonic stem cell please follow these instructions:

#1) Go to a clinic with your 'better half' and create a fertilized child embryo.

#2) Use that particular embryo for your own research and your own cure or to help others.

OPTION: If you are past the production point ask one of your children or grandchildren to provide(or be) the raw materials for your miracle cure.

Regardless of the Presidential decision, we can be certain of one thing: those who support and yell the loudest for embryonic stem cell research funding will NOT be the people who will provide their embryonic offspring to the research laboratory.


 
  Our Republic...If we can keep it...  

57 posted on 06/10/2004 1:53:02 PM PDT by kjenerette (Jenerette for Senate - www.jenerette.com - Desert Storm Veteran)
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OK so now instead of using an embryos stem cells for potential disease curing research we are just throwing the embryo away in the garbage.

And that's a good thing how?

Just when the pro-life movement was making headway, The extremist come up with this nonsense to drive more people away.

And John Kerry thanks you, You just gave him issue that could put him over the top.

68 posted on 06/10/2004 9:32:15 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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My wife and I both have diseases which it is thought stem cell therapy could cure. I would die before accepting the body parts of murdered children to cure me.


69 posted on 06/10/2004 9:35:46 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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"This issue is especially poignant given President Reagan's passing," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. "Embryonic stem cell research might hold the key to a cure for Alzheimer's and other terrible diseases. This is why we must do everything in our power to support this research to support this subtle cannibalism." Feinswine's 'might' is slim indeed. but adult stem cell research is already curing a wide range of diseases, with more to soon follow!
73 posted on 06/10/2004 10:03:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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It's a test for civilization. Does G-d want us to kill our babies to save ourselves from disease? We need to revere life, but we have entered an ethical gray zone where we have to ask ourselves whether we should use our children to save our parents. Do we know the right answer? G-d is praying for us that we choose correctly.


102 posted on 06/11/2004 12:14:16 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: MadIvan

BUMP


106 posted on 06/11/2004 12:27:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MadIvan

BUMP


107 posted on 06/11/2004 12:27:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Embryos are not human beings, they're just human embryos. In order for something to qualify for human being status one must posess a body and many other qualifiers. Their use for research should be unquestioned. The researchers who have outstanding scientific knowledge know embryos hold no more moral significance than sperm. If there were any question they wouldn't even consider it. This whole thing is beyond common sense and I can't believe any of these "beliefs" are being taken seriously by any Americans.


143 posted on 06/11/2004 2:38:41 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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Other than a bunch of emotional people saying that embryonic stem-cell research "might" or "may" or "possibly" cure alzheimers, is there any medical support for this hope at all?


200 posted on 06/13/2004 9:25:35 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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Important PING, and two related.

Ronald Reagan, father of the pro-life movement

Rep. Chris Smith, R-NJ – Pro-Life Hero

203 posted on 06/13/2004 10:16:52 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

249 posted on 06/15/2004 1:03:42 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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