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Smith: No embryonic stem cells
NJ.Com ^ | June 10, 2004 | TOM HESTER JR.

Posted on 06/10/2004 2:21:32 AM PDT by MadIvan

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:39:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The nation should honor President Reagan by committing itself to finding a cure for Alzheimer's disease, Rep. Chris Smith said yesterday, but not by using embryos for stem cell research.

Smith, R-Washington Township, who was first elected with Reagan in 1980, yesterday blasted those who have used Reagan's death on Saturday after a decade-long bout with Alzheimer's to advocate embryonic stem cell research.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: alzheimers; crevolist; reagan; stemcells
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To: seamole
We used to believe that eternal life was possible without the use of advanced science. Now, we need to spend billions of dollars, and nullify our own humanity, to obtain mere extensions of time. Eternal life is certainly something people desire. Yet so many who have discarded the easy way to eternal life are Hell-bent on getting it by eating the flesh of their baby brothers. Perhaps they first ought to research whether what they are seeking is already within their grasp.

Beautifully stated and exactly right.

21 posted on 06/10/2004 5:11:39 AM PDT by madprof98
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22 posted on 06/10/2004 5:11:48 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (God bless Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MadIvan
My mother had Alzheimer's ... it's a terrible decease and I would do almost anything to find a cure to prevent one to slowly slip away and lose their mind

But .. I cannot do so at the expense of another ones life
23 posted on 06/10/2004 6:11:06 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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25 posted on 06/10/2004 6:57:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MadIvan
I don't blame her, but that doesn't make the taking of innocent life any more palatable. The President would agree, no doubt.

Absolutely no doubt about that, Ivan. As the third line of the epitaph Ronald Reagan selected for himself proves:

I know in my heart that man is good
that what is right will always eventually triumph
and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.

-- Ronald Reagan


26 posted on 06/10/2004 7:03:28 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: zarf
Bullsh*t "Dr." Smith.

If you are so sure Smith is wrong, then you must know something we don't.

Therefore I know you will post links to any peer-reviewed and duplicated 'research' that shows significant and lasting benefit to patients with implanted embryonic stem cells.

And you will also post links to peer-reviewed and duplicated 'research' showing that ONLY embryonic stem cells show any promise, compared to, say, umbilical cord stem cells.

Won't you?

27 posted on 06/10/2004 7:08:50 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: seamole
We were all embryos once.

...and before that we were all a sperm.

Are you for the protection of human sperm? Using stem cells from this source is no different than transplanting of hearts from people in traffic accidents to someone who needs one.

28 posted on 06/10/2004 7:39:10 AM PDT by Lysander (Don't stand where I told you to stand. Stand where I told you to stand!)
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To: Lysander
Using stem cells from this source is no different than transplanting of hearts from people in traffic accidents to someone who needs one.

Only if the accident victim is already dead. Huge difference.

29 posted on 06/10/2004 7:45:08 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: Lysander
and before that we were all a sperm

A sperm, without an egg, is not a human being. An embryo is. Another huge difference.

30 posted on 06/10/2004 7:46:05 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: shhrubbery!; zarf

Therefore I know you will post links to any peer-reviewed and duplicated 'research' that shows significant and lasting benefit to patients with implanted embryonic stem cells.

And you will also post links to peer-reviewed and duplicated 'research' showing that ONLY embryonic stem cells show any promise, compared to, say, umbilical cord stem cells.

Zarf didn't claim there were currently "significant and lasting benefits to patients with implanted embryonics stem cells." He was saying Smith's statement that embryonic stem cells have "not shown any promise in developing treatments for Alzheimer's or any other disease or condition" was BS. And saying embryonic stem cell have not shown "any promise" is a BS statement.

With research, eventually there may very well be "significant and lasting benefits to patients with implanted embryonics stem cells." The field has great promise and it will continue with or without the government's funding.

31 posted on 06/10/2004 7:59:27 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: seamole
The safest approach is to simply ban all abortions, and prevent unwanted pregnancies through prevention of sexual intercourse. While many people say that sexual intercourse is unpreventable, such a claim taken to its logical and inevitable conclusion removes all human moral culpability from human actions.
This statement presumes that sexual intercourse is immoral. My wife and I would disagree.
34 posted on 06/10/2004 8:19:16 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: zarf
Opposition to this research is obscene.

This research is obscene. It is not an effort to find a cure, but an effort to permanently ensconce abortion legally. By constantly making wild promises of a fabulous cure all, pro-abortionists hope to keep the value of life low.

Like the rest of the abortion debate, they frame the question in false alternatives. They say it is trading a clump of cells for a cure. In reality, it is trading a baby for an empty promise, a medical lie.

35 posted on 06/10/2004 8:22:49 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: Your Nightmare
This statement presumes that sexual intercourse is immoral.

Sexual intercourse is immoral for anyone not prepared to accept the inevitable result: a child.

36 posted on 06/10/2004 8:24:27 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: katherine

...Chris Smith comes through again!


38 posted on 06/10/2004 8:33:18 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If we can keep it!)
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To: seamole
the removal of moral culpability from our common value system

What do you mean by this?

39 posted on 06/10/2004 8:49:39 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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