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Time For A Second Mount Rushmore Has Arrived
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Posted on 06/06/2004 9:50:14 AM PDT by paul in cape

Now that President Reagan has moved on to his higher calling, I think it's time to revisit the commissioning of a second Mount Rushmore: I'll call it SPIRIT OF FREEDOM. The second half of the 20th Century saw 3 leaders who, although one may disagree with a policy or two, allowed America to rise above pettiness and strive for greatness. My list would include Franklin Roosevelt, for guiding the nation through the Depression and WWII, John Kennedy, for renewing the spirit of mission and can-do-ism, and Ronald Reagan, who won the cold war without firing a shot, and pulling America up on his back and out of the malaise of Carterism, and infecting most Americans with a renewed sense of optimism.


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To: paul in cape

I would like to see Ronald Reagan added as well.


41 posted on 06/06/2004 11:07:05 AM PDT by Libertina (Reagan showed us what being a great president was all about. Thank you sir for bringing pride!)
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To: paul in cape

If the US ever wants to popularize that stupid "silver" dollar that looks like a quarter, putting Ronald Reagan's face on it would go a long way towards selling me on the idea.


42 posted on 06/06/2004 11:08:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Free the GRPL 3)
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To: Military family member; Spotsy
Rushmore is a work of art that shouldn't be altered or duplicated. I support finding an original, new way to honor Reagan.
Concur.
A large statue of Reagan developed from the famous speech "Tear this wall down." As I recall, Reagan pointed at the wall when he said that. Sculpt the statue of Reagan in that pose, and place the Statue so it points toward the piece of the Wall at the Reagan Building in Washington.
Concur.

And I don't believe that more time is needed to evaluate Reagan's legacy; those who do not accept it are of the ilk to claim that everyone who agrees with them is objective, and everyone who does not agree with them is "not objective." No one could be objective without being wise; what they mean is that in their own conceit they themselves are wise.

Ronald Reagan

In his first two terms FDR failed to get the country going again and failed to prevent WWIII - and that is how he should be judged, like all other presidents.

43 posted on 06/06/2004 11:16:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Mark in the Old South
Webster's Definition for "granite"
gran.ite \'gran-*t\ \gra-'nit-ik\ \'gran-*t-.o.id\ n [It granito, fr. pp. of granire to granulate, fr. grano grain], fr. L granum
1: a very hard natural igneous rock formation of visibly crystalline texture formed essentially of quartz and orthoclase or microcline and used for building and for monuments 2: unyielding firmness or endurance - gra.nit.ic adj



Granite is not sedimentary. As a Hoosier, I find the use of limestone to be quite nice. There are still hundreds of quarries around Indiana, particularly down around Bedford and Bloomington, where there is plenty of nice stone with which to work.
44 posted on 06/06/2004 11:18:22 AM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Maybe it should be Reagan, Churchill, Thatcher and Ike on the next mountain!

Sounds Good...some may take exception to the Brits...Adm."Swimmer" Kennedy and his Evil Ilk. :/

45 posted on 06/06/2004 11:45:27 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
FDR should be judged on his first two terms like all other presidents. On that scale, FDR failed to get the country going again and failed to prevent WWII, Even in terms of his wartime leadership, FDR wanted the Soviet Union to dominate postwar Europe - and historically we know that Truman lied about Communist penetration of his administration.

There is no twentieth century president who cleaned up so much of the mess left by his predecessors, and left such managable problems for his successors, and did Reagan. Not that his successors managed very well, but that was for want of Reaganesque vision of what needed doing when they were in office.

46 posted on 06/06/2004 11:46:46 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: goodnesswins

"Reagan needs a monument ALL his own. I believe he's one in a million."

I agree.


47 posted on 06/06/2004 11:48:41 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Goodbye, President Reagan. You will be missed.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I didn't mean to suggest that more time was needed to evaluate Reagan's legacy.

Reagan's legacy was evident the day he took office (I was in DC and it was like the world went from black and white to color).

But keep in mind when the Washington Monument, Lincoln and Jefferson memorials were built.

Taking TIME will ensure that something worthy of the man and his legacy is built. In the meantime, the best memorial to Ronnie is cherishing and defending what his legacy bequeathed us (you know the list).


48 posted on 06/06/2004 11:59:35 AM PDT by Spotsy (The news media should report the news, not manufacture it)
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To: SamAdams76

Churchill was made a citizen by a special act of congress after the war so he would be fitting. I believe a whole new monument needs to be made--Out here in the west--California or Nevada. A great carving like stone mountain in GA. Perhaps one to Honor the cold warrors that would have, Truman, Ike, and Reagan. Or maybe just Reagan--on a horse with the text of his great speach about a shining city on a hill.


49 posted on 06/06/2004 12:11:16 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Coroner
FDR was a great American idiot!!!!!

Amen, brother Ben.

50 posted on 06/06/2004 2:38:22 PM PDT by boothead
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To: musicman
What about adding Teddy Kennedy ??

Works for me. But they'll need to take one of the old Saturn V "crawlers" out of mothballs at Cape Kennedy to transport the 400-foot tall bottle of Chivas Regal to the sculpture site.

51 posted on 06/06/2004 2:45:11 PM PDT by asgardshill
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To: paul in cape

Kennedy's death in office made him grander than he was IMO.


52 posted on 06/06/2004 2:51:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: paul in cape; Robert_Paulson2

Enough with the idol worship. Let's worship his ideals, not his image.

Paulsen, your thoughts? (Kinda curious)


53 posted on 06/06/2004 3:39:29 PM PDT by ambrose (President Bush on Reagan: "His Work is Done and Now a Shining City Awaits Him")
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To: paul in cape

Are you nuts? Any public monument would have the lefties in full bay for the inclusion of W. B. J. Clinton.


54 posted on 06/06/2004 3:50:41 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: paul in cape
I nominate Carter & Clinton!

Oh wait!

You meant on a rock...not under it.

55 posted on 06/06/2004 3:57:54 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: paul in cape

I am okay with John Kennedy and Reagan.

I would NOT want FDR on there.


56 posted on 06/06/2004 3:59:31 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ambrose

paulsen is a different freeper... however, I rather agree with you...

The real battle with this is going to be the "identfication" of Reagan's ideals. IE... regardless of what we conservatives say about what reagan really "meant" at times, the reality of the man's life and ideals are going to be debated hotly.

I already heard some lefty asserting Reagan's support "for any means of protecting the environment..." HE MEANT ANY THING THAT the TREE HUGGERS would find a good idea today!!!

He should have inserted the little word "sensible" instead of "any".

Some religionists will stress his support for "prayer in school." Implying there should be "prayer in school" as a government educational policy, whereas to those of us who remember, Reagan actually only supported "voluntary" prayers.

Thus the battle will be on to define what "President Reagan Beleived" in terms that benefit one view or the other.
Building accurate statues of stone that are faithful to the resemblance of their original... is easier and less controversial than building an accurate and useful blueprint of the man's ideology.

In these days... EVERY issue, no matter how clearly discussed and often pronounced in public... WILL be politicized to polarize the nation to our own detriment.

I would like to see us focus on following the man's ideals, rather than waste time trying to carve a new monument.

And in a time like this... REAGAN would be viciously focussed on killing off islamic terrorists and the regimes that tolerate them. I believe had REAGAN been in charge, the missiles would have flown on certain middle eastern targets, on or about 9-13-2001.

He would have more clearly identified a much broader swath of Islam as our bitter enemy... not just a few radicals. I say let's win the war against terrorists and then build statues.


57 posted on 06/06/2004 4:36:25 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

Bump!

I have noticed that some leftists have given up on trying to malign Reagan as a racist right-wing warmonger, and are instead claiming he was really a bleeding heart liberal.

LOL.


58 posted on 06/06/2004 11:42:26 PM PDT by ambrose (President Bush on Reagan: "His Work is Done and Now a Shining City Awaits Him")
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To: paul in cape
Would today's environmental extremists even allow a monument like Mt. Rushmore to be built anymore?

-PJ

59 posted on 06/06/2004 11:51:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: goodnesswins
Reagan needs a monument ALL his own. I believe he's one in a million.
I agree literally on the first point, and figuratively on the second. Among presidents he's one in at least a dozen; among people generally he was one in 300 million or so. He could not conceivably have been elected president until he had gained experience as Governor of California. But with his negotiating ability from the SAG days and his leadership abilities and life's experience he would at any time after the Eisenhower Administration (if not before) have been a better choice for POTUS than anyone who in fact attained (or was even nominated to) national office.

But of course we couldn't know that then , and if he had been president back then we might not have had a clue of how bad the alternative was, and might not have understood his excellence in the same way that we who have seen the Johnson, Carter, and Clinton Administrations with open eyes do. And, may God preserve the Union, the Democrats now think to afflict the nation with the war hero whose great political achievement was to throw the honor of the nation's military in the garbage can back in 1971.


60 posted on 06/07/2004 4:19:45 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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