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Gas May Have Spurred Ancient Global Warming-Nature (hey, wait a minute...)
Reuters ^ | Wed Jun 2 | Alister Doyle

Posted on 06/03/2004 6:27:32 AM PDT by presidio9

A vast belch of gas from beneath the North Atlantic 55 million years ago may have warmed the planet and hold clues to threats from an even faster modern surge in greenhouse gases, scientists said on Wednesday.

The apparent release of hydrocarbons from subsea rocks in the Eocene epoch might also bolster theories that spasms of volcanic activity could have triggered extinctions like the demise of the dinosaurs 10 million years before the Eocene.

In an article in the science journal Nature, Norwegian researchers said they had found traces of thousands of hydrothermal vents in lava off Norway that could have been the source of a rise in greenhouse gases 55 million years ago.

Until now, scientists have been at a loss to explain the trigger for a 5-10 Celsius (10-20F) global warming over about 10,000 years in the Eocene -- a blink in geological time.

"We think that magma heated sediments containing organic material and led to an explosive release of gases," said Henrik Svensen, a researcher at the University of Oslo and main author of the article.

"It's like burning a pizza and creating a lot of greenhouse gas in your stove," he told Reuters. Some of the craters were 10 km (six miles) across in the Voering and Moere basins in the North Atlantic off what is now Norway.

Some plants and animals, especially in the seas, were wiped out by the Eocene temperature spike. "But it's not one of the major global extinction events," he said.

The scientists said the annual rate of modern human emissions of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere in the 1990s -- from fossil fuels burned in cars, factories and power plants -- was 35-360 times as fast as the pace of the Eocene gas buildup.

FASTER NOW

"We can cause the same amount of global warming ourselves in a few hundred years at current rates," Svensen said. Scientists say that gases linked to human activity could bring disaster with more storms, floods and higher sea levels.

The Eocene global warming theory outlined in Nature bolsters the idea that a buildup of gases can disrupt the climate, as forecast by U.N. models. A U.N. panel of scientists has predicted a 1.4-5.8 Celsius rise in temperatures by 2100.

Gerald Dickens of Rice University, Texas, wrote in Nature that the Eocene warming should be studied more as "an intriguing but imperfect analog of current fossil-fuel emissions."

During the Eocene, mammals strengthened their grip on the planet after the extinction of the dinosaurs. Creatures ranged from horse-like animals as small as dogs to a spiny relative of the hedgehog that apparently hopped like a rabbit.

Much of the gas released was apparently methane, a major component of natural gas and the second-biggest contributor to global warming behind carbon dioxide. The U.N.'s stalled 1997 Kyoto protocol seeks to limit emissions despite a U.S. pullout.

Svensen said the theory of Eocene warming might bolster the idea that volcanoes were responsible for past climate change and explain bigger extinctions like of the dinosaurs, now more commonly blamed on a giant meteorite strike.

Nature flagged its article "The day the Earth let rip" -- methane is an odorless component of burping or flatulence.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2; globalwarming; whateverwesayitmeans
Nature flagged its article "The day the Earth let rip" -- methane is an odorless component of burping or flatulence.

Now that's sure to get all of us here to take them seriously.

1 posted on 06/03/2004 6:27:33 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I watched a program on the Discovery Channel about submarine gas releases, focusing specifically on something called methane hydroxide deposits. They theorize that a submarine avalanche released an enormous quantity of these deposits from the sea floor at the end of the last Ice Age, significantly warming the Earth.


2 posted on 06/03/2004 6:31:59 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: presidio9

So.....what, the enviros have to ban undersea rocks now...?


3 posted on 06/03/2004 6:37:31 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: presidio9

Whale farts?


4 posted on 06/03/2004 6:42:07 AM PDT by Chewbacca (Islam has killed more muslims than any other religion.)
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To: Chewbacca

Algore said he would "let er rip" on his next campaign...


5 posted on 06/03/2004 6:52:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: presidio9
A vast BELCH?
6 posted on 06/03/2004 7:03:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

I caught the "Simpsons" episode of "Inside The Actor's Studio" last night (as opposed to the "Inside The Actor's Studio" episode of "The Simpsons"). It had all of the cast members answering questions live, both in character and out. If you are a fan of "The Simpsons," you will find this to be one of the most entertaining hours of televion you have seen in a while. Bravo usually repeats these shows several times, so look for it.


7 posted on 06/03/2004 7:09:23 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: farmfriend

ping


8 posted on 06/03/2004 7:10:04 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

So, it would follow that Michael Moore is not just a moron, but an environmental hazard!


9 posted on 06/03/2004 7:13:36 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: presidio9
If "Beano" had been invented back then, maybe it could have been avoided. That stuff works, even for my Saturday night chili with extra beans.

At least they're not dragging out their moth-eaten computer models again to stress their point. It is becoming more widely known that these models produce the output that the programmers want from them and they can't even reproduce past climate conditions.

An equivalent would be a fortune-teller that is not only unable to predict the future, but also can't even tell you what happened yesterday. Had they been using them to predict the 1948 presidential election they would have picked Dewey and come up with a 'consensus' of 'scientists' to drive home the point.

10 posted on 06/03/2004 7:13:36 AM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: sheik yerbouty
So, it would follow that Michael Moore is not just a moron, but an environmental hazard!

LMAO, you beat me too it!

11 posted on 06/03/2004 7:17:09 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: presidio9

A vast belch of gas from beneath the North Atlantic 55 million years ago may have warmed the planet and hold clues to threats from an even faster modern surge in greenhouse gases, scientists said on Wednesday.

Hmmm, looks to me like temperatures were elevated long before 55 million years ago, and not very responsive to changes in CO2 concentrations(the greenhouse gas produced from burning of fossil fuels and targeted by Kyoto).

 

Global Surface Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time 

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya -- 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

Temperature after C.R. Scotese
CO2 after R.A. Berner, 1994

  •     There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 900 ppm or about 2.5 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Ordovician Period, exceeding 6000 ppm -- more than 16 times higher than today.
  •     The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today.

    To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age, with CO2 concentrations nearly 15 times higher than today-- 5500 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.

12 posted on 06/03/2004 7:19:15 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; Ichneumon

DC ping.


13 posted on 06/03/2004 7:24:10 AM PDT by Junior (Love isn't always on time. Sometimes you have to pay for it up front.)
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To: Junior
We've had some methane threads before:
Methane Thought To Be Responsible For Mass Extinction.
Methane And Mini-horses: Fossils Reveal Effects Of Global Warming.
Methane Explosion Warmed The Prehistoric Earth, Possible Again.
'Twas flatulence that killed the dinosaurs.
14 posted on 06/03/2004 8:22:09 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: PatrickHenry

And weren't they a gas.


15 posted on 06/03/2004 8:27:49 AM PDT by Junior (Love isn't always on time. Sometimes you have to pay for it up front.)
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To: capt. norm

" "Beano" "

Next time I go camping I'm slipping my kid a Beano miki.


16 posted on 06/03/2004 8:33:32 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: presidio9

INTREP


17 posted on 06/03/2004 9:15:28 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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