Posted on 06/02/2004 3:23:38 PM PDT by bboop
ACLU has just sued Los Angeles County for having a cross on their County Seal. The cross represents the San Gabriel Mission (estab'd 1771) around which the city grew. We LOVE our Missions, and we cherish our history. How DARE the ACLU try to erase it?? Dennis Prager featured it this am, interviewed Supervisor Mike Antonovich, who is one (of 2)(out of 5) who want to fight this. The vote is not til next Tuesday, June 8. I called Sup. Don Knabe's office, and she said "Would you fax a letter of support?" I encourage everyone from all over the country to contact these five Supervisors. Now this is happening in LA County, but 'coming soon to a city near you.' Sup. Zev Yaroslavsky/ 213.625.7360 fx; Sup. Gloria Molina, 213.613.1739 fx; Sup. Yvonne B. Burke, 213.680.3283 fx; Sup. Michael Antonovich, 213.625.7360 fx (against capitulating); Sup. Don Knabe 213.626.6941 fx (against capitulating). dennisprager@dennisprager.com also wants to hear from all who are upset. Time to stop the ACLU.
No. The ACLU delivered a letter of intent to the Board last week. Supervisor Kanabe submitted the following motion at the Board Meeting on May 25 to be voted on June 1:
MOTION
MOLINA __________________________
BURKE __________________________
YAROSLAVSKY __________________________
ANTONOVICH __________________________
KNABE __________________________
SYN. NO. AGN. NO._____ MOTION BY SUPERVISOR DON KNABE June 1, 2004 The ACLU has sent a letter to the Board of Supervisors demanding that a small cross displayed on the official county seal be removed and that a response from our Board be received within 14 days. The ACLU has threatened legal action against the County if the seal is not removed. The official County seal was designed by former Supervisor Kenneth Hahn and adopted by the Board of Supervisors on March 1, 1957. It has been a symbol of our great county which spans 4,081 square miles and encompasses 10 million residents, making it the largest and most diverse county in the nation. The seal has various symbols representing our County’s diverse and rich history. From agriculture to oil production, from cultural activities to the conquest of space. And it includes a cross representing the influence of the California Missions which was part of the development of our County and the State of California.
Our history cannot be changed and it will not be rewritten. We have a rich and proud history which every person in the County of Los Angeles can be proud, no matter what your religious background. Today the County of Los Angeles is faces a variety of critical issues and the threat of such a lawsuit by the ACLU is clearly a frivolous action and would cause the County of Los Angeles to spend an untold amount of already scarce resources. I therefore move that the Board of Supervisors reiterate its support for our County seal which was adopted 47 years ago; and I further move that the Board of Supervisors direct County Counsel to thoroughly review this matter and begin preparations to protect and defend the County seal if such frivolous litigation is brought against the County.
As of last Friday, the position was that the cross was representative of the history of Los Angeles and not an endorsement of religion. Today, nothing has been issued or changed in the seal. (I work for the County and my friend works in the sign shop.)
You could look at the American Center for Law and Justice www.aclj.org or the Pacific Justice Institute www.pacificjustice.org Both organizations accept donations and take on these kinds of cases.
Burke just won re-election. Unfortunately she is my Supervisor. I am going to research the recall process in the County right now. We did it with Grayout Davis....
Its not a bad idea, it would show how silly these suits can be, but as long as both parties have to pay for court costs, the city will keep backing down and keep looking for that perfect symbol that does not offend anyone. What we badly need is a "looser pays" system. Eventually a judge would see that the right to be not offended is not a right granted by the constitution. Then the ACLU could be told to GET OVER IT.
"What I find funny is that the ACLU is so selective on this issue. The seal of LA county actually contains TWO religious symbols:"
Hmmm....maybe three... People from India would see the cow as a sacred religious symbol!
They surrendered. Guess what? Making the seal politically correct is going to cost L.A County more money than if the gutless no wonder liberals who control the Board Of Supervisors had told the ACLU to take a hike and fight it all the way to the U.S Supreme Court.
It's only Los Angeles. That place is a toilet. Surely nobody expected anything else from those clowns. The only question remaining is, how big will the check be that they write to the ACLU? (Yawn)
Mosey over to aztlan.net and read this article if you want a peek inside their world.
"Islamofascism" has forever concretized..." Sorry, but I don't see any hue and cry from bureaucrats over anything except Christian symbols. They would not take out a Muslim symbol for fear of provoking someone--don't care about hurting Christian feelings.
I agree they must be stopped. The SC has already ruled that this would be okay because it is an historical symbol entwined with many other symbols of LA history. LA could win a court case if it got that far and make the ACLU pay costs.
vaudine
Main Entry: 1saint
Pronunciation: 'sAnt, before a name (")sAnt or s&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin sanctus, from Latin, sacred, from past participle of sancire to make sacred -- more at SACRED
1 : one officially recognized especially through canonization as preeminent for holiness
2 a : one of the spirits of the departed in heaven b : ANGEL 1a
3 a : one of God's chosen and usually Christian people b capitalized : a member of any of various Christian bodies; specifically : LATTER-DAY SAINT
4 : one eminent for piety or virtue
5 : an illustrious predecessor
- saint·dom /'sAnt-d&m/ noun
- saint·like /'sAnt-"lIk/ adjective What total LUNACY!
Nope. Won't work. Most of those areas are liberal. So sorry.
The ACLU is, after all, fair minded and they would NOT want to hurt themselves.
(dripping with sarcasm)
Take off the dripping with sarcasm part. My mistake.
Psst... don't remind the ACLU of the historical association of the fish with Christianity... ;-)
Not to mention that the translation of the full original name of the city is something like Town of Our Lady Queen of the Angels, then it became more simply something like Town of the Angels.
And does the ACLU know what Sacramento is named for??
The one willing to offend Christians, but not anyone else needs to be freeped that she is hurting many feelings with her inane reasoning.
vaudine
Zev is on Hugh Hewitt KRLA right now.
They aren't going to fight the suit because other ACLU suits have been losers for the state gov't.
Chickens
Hugh just asked about the statue of Pomona and Zev says she is going to stay because she isn't a symbol of religion (Pamona is a pagan Roman godess)
I think that not only the Goddess Pomona but the Spanish Galleon that carried Catholic Missionaries to California and the Tuna Fish which was an early Christian symbol should be removed....
Zev told many half truths....i'm steamed.....
Anyone else ready to recall Burke, Molina, and Zev?
Ballot measure?
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