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LA To Remove CROSS From County Seal Following ACLU Complaint
nbcsandiego.com ^ | June 2, 2004 | AP

Posted on 06/02/2004 10:20:54 AM PDT by VU4G10

County supervisors decided to remove a tiny cross from the county's official seal rather than face a potential lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union.

The supervisors held an emotional debate Tuesday before deciding to replace the cross with another image -- possibly a representation of a Spanish mission or California's indigenous tribes. The cross has been on the county seal since 1957 in a panel with two stars above a depiction of the Hollywood Bowl. The Bowl was intended as a symbol of culture while one star represents film and the other television.

 
In a May 19 letter, ACLU attorneys warned the Board of Supervisors to remove the cross or face a lawsuit, saying the seal was unconstitutional because it reflects "an impermissible endorsement of Christianity by the county government."

The panel is one of six around the seal's main figure, Pomona, a Roman goddess of fruits and trees representing the region's agriculture. The seal's other symbols are: a triangle and calipers to represent industry; oil derricks; the Spanish galleon San Salvador that was sailed into San Pedro Harbor in 1542 by the explorer Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo; and a tuna and a champion cow named Pearlette, for the once-huge fishing and dairy industries. Supervisor Don Knabe said removing the cross was like "rewriting history" in a region shaped by Catholic missionaries.

"Where does it all end?" he said. "I do not think we should capitulate. As the largest county in America, if we roll over, what's next?" But other supervisors indicated that they wanted to avoid a court battle that some supervisors predicted the county would lose.

Federal courts have ruled against government agencies in similar cases in New Mexico and Illinois in the 1990s. In California, the city of Redlands recently agreed to remove the cross from its logo after the ACLU threatened legal action. The ACLU then received calls complaining about the Los Angeles County seal.

 

COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES OFFICIAL SEAL


 

The Goddess Pomona – the goddess of gardens and fruit trees – is holding in her arms a sheaf of grain, an orange, a lemon, an avocado and a few grapes to represent Los Angeles County’s agriculture.

She stands on the shore of the Pacific Ocean with the San Gabriel Mountains in the background.

The engineering instruments – the triangle and the caliper – relate to the industrial construction complex of the County and Los Angeles’ vital contribution to the conquest of space.

The Spanish galleon is the San Salvador, which Cabrillo sailed into San Pedro Harbor on October 8, 1542.

The tuna represents the fishing industry of Los Angeles County, and the championship cow, Pearlette, represents the dairy industry.

The Hollywood Bowl indicates the cultural activities, while the two stars represent the County’s motion picture and television industries.

The cross represents the influence of the church and the missions of California.

Oil derricks are symbolic of the oil fields that were discovered on Signal Hill.

The words “County of Los Angeles California” surround the seal.

 



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; churchandstate; democrats; lacountyseal; nationalsecurity; rats
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1 posted on 06/02/2004 10:20:55 AM PDT by VU4G10
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$#@#$!!* UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!


2 posted on 06/02/2004 10:23:43 AM PDT by Russ
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GROAN...

Dump the goddess; keep the Cross.

These people are damned.

3 posted on 06/02/2004 10:24:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: VU4G10
Angeles is a religious reference; I guess they need to change the city name, maybe Los Locos
4 posted on 06/02/2004 10:25:19 AM PDT by SF Republican (You know what I like about John Kerry? Nothing)
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To: VU4G10

Maybe they could replace the cross with a logo of a "doctor" sucking the brains out of a partially-delivered, full-term baby. At least THAT is in The Constitution (although, curiously, not in my dog-eared copy.)


5 posted on 06/02/2004 10:25:41 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Hey, Kerry! You don't need no stinkin' badges. I mean medals. I mean ribbons.)
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To: VU4G10

Tomorrow, San Francisco will change its name because it reminds people of a Catholic saint.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 10:25:59 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: VU4G10

Hey, the female Goddess, Pomona, is a very suspicious personification of Gaia, the deity worshipped by environmentalists worldwide. I say the ACLU needs to crackdown on her, too....


7 posted on 06/02/2004 10:26:11 AM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- 1 Billion Muslims Can't Be Wrong....)
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To: VU4G10
County supervisors decided to remove a tiny cross from the county's official seal rather than face a potential lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union.

WHIMPS!!!

8 posted on 06/02/2004 10:26:46 AM PDT by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: VU4G10

Madness.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 10:26:47 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Rush may be "show prep for the media", but FR is show prep for RUSH!)
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The engineering instruments – the triangle and the caliper – relate to the industrial construction complex of the County and Los Angeles’ vital contribution to the conquest of space.

Masonic icons, and must also be removed!

And while you're at it, change you name from "City of Angels" to something more appropriate, such as "Los Liberales."

10 posted on 06/02/2004 10:27:13 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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@#$**!! it! Who died and made the ACLU the government in this country? The LA County Commissioners don't have the backbone of a jellyfish! I truly believe we are heading for another civil war.


11 posted on 06/02/2004 10:28:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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The words “County of Los Angeles California” surround the seal.

Hummm ... County of the Angels = a messenger from God. Looks like we're do for a name change ;)

12 posted on 06/02/2004 10:28:39 AM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: miltonim

Well "The Angels" is a little vague but you can't much more religious than Saint Francis.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 10:28:47 AM PDT by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: VU4G10

It's at times like this that one wants to bash one's head against a wall...

As I have said before, it's time for the A.C.L.U. to move on and sue Hawaii. The state flag has three Christian Crosses on it.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 10:29:28 AM PDT by tjwmason (A voice from Merry England.)
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A county with a population of almost 10 million does not have the guts to defend its heritage. The other cities capitulated because they did not have the money to hire a lawyer but LA county has no excuse. Why didn't one of the conservative legal organization, such as Pacific Legal Foundation, volunteer to fight the ACLU. I guess we can kiss the flag of Maryland goodbye.


15 posted on 06/02/2004 10:30:11 AM PDT by mkj6080
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To: VU4G10

The ACLU sued here in Austin, Texas a few years ago to remove the cross from the city seal. The City fought them and won in court as the cross had historical significance to the city beyond its religious overtones. It's mainly being willing to fight, although in all fairness to L.A., Calfornia is under the jurisdiction of the 9th circuit court of appeals, truly a full set of judicial loons, and Austin is under a conservative court of appeals, the Fifth circuit.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 10:31:18 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: VU4G10

Something should be done about the ACLU (Anti Christian Liars Union). Enough is enough.


17 posted on 06/02/2004 10:31:19 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: VU4G10

On that note...
Why don't they change their name as well ...

Perhaps they can become - Ecru County...
It's kind of bland, un-exciting, and un-offensive ...


18 posted on 06/02/2004 10:31:19 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: VU4G10

Somehow I don't think this was a hard decision for that citys "leaders." We're going to miss some parts of cali when it slides into the sea.


19 posted on 06/02/2004 10:31:24 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: VU4G10
Los Diablo

When you God changes for the worse.

20 posted on 06/02/2004 10:31:47 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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