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F/A-22 Ups and Downs; the Tacair Debate; [Brian's Military Ping List]
Air Force Association ^ | May 2004

Posted on 05/31/2004 5:34:13 PM PDT by VaBthang4

Raptor Ready for Prime Time

At a March 22 review of the F/A-22 program, the Defense Acquisition Board found no reason that USAF should not proceed with initial operational test and evaluation (IOT &E) for its new stealthy fighter.

The DAB, which is chaired by acting Pentagon acquisition, technology, and logistics chief Michael W. Wynne, appeared satisfied with the aircraft’s progress despite earlier claims by some members that the Air Force was moving too quickly into IOT&E.

The board met to review whether the F/A-22’s avionics had met the level of stability that was mandated for entry into IOT&E. The Air Force was required to demonstrate that the avionics suite could sustain a five-hour-mean-time-between-failure rate for critical elements. (See “The F/A-22 Force Forms Up,” April, p. 34.)

The day after the DAB meeting, Marvin R. Sambur, USAF’s top acquisition official, told lawmakers that Wynne had said he was “very encouraged by the program’s progress” and saw “no impediment to entering IOT&E in the April time frame.”

Sambur also told a House subcommittee that, although the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center had “not formally completed” its analysis, the AFOTEC commander found the F/A-22’s performance “very impressive.” That constituted a rave review, according to Sambur.

“I have never heard an AFOTEC commander ... use anything better than, ‘It is OK’ ” when describing a weapon system, said Sambur.

At the same hearing, Lt. Gen. Ronald E. Keys, USAF’s deputy chief of staff for air and space operations, responded to a question about a mock dogfight in which eight F-15Cs engaged four F/A-22s. He said the Eagles “all died.” Keys added that most of the F-15s never even got off a shot against the F/A-22s.

The thumbs up by the DAB and the upbeat testimony by Air Force officials was in sharp contrast to a March 15 General Accounting Office report. The Congressional watchdog agency had reported that the F/A-22 was still struggling to meet avionics requirements. (See below.)

However, Keys told the lawmakers that the GAO report was simply out of date. “This is a moving target,” he said.

Sambur emphasized that the F/A-22 program “is now at 6.1 [hours] vs. the five-hour metric.”

GAO Seeks New F/A-22 “Business Case”

The GAO charged, in its report and testimony, that the Pentagon had failed to provide sufficient information to Congress to justify the number of F/A-22s USAF plans to buy or its modernization investment plans for the new stealthy fighter.

The GAO said DOD “did not address key business case questions such as how many F/A-22s are needed, how many are affordable, and if alternatives to planned investments increasing the F/A-22 air-to-ground capabilities exist.”

The business case that DOD did provide to Congress said it “planned to buy 277 F/A-22s based on a ‘buy-to-budget’ concept,” according to the GAO. The GAO said that DOD, if held to the $36.8 billion production cost cap imposed by Congress in 1998, could only buy about 218 F/A-22s.

The higher number is based on the Pentagon’s production cost cap of $42.2 billion, which several lawmakers at the April hearing said violated the Congressional mandate. DOD and Air Force acquisition leaders stated at the hearing that the Pentagon planned to ask for relief from the statutory cost cap.

Sambur on April 11 told lawmakers that the Air Force was “not happy” with either number. He said the service maintains it needs “something in the order of 381.” (See “Editorial: The Raptor Review,” April, p. 2.)

GAO claimed that USAF had included $3.5 billion for addition of improved ground-attack capabilities through 2009 but that the service would actually need $11.7 billion. Air Force Secretary James G. Roche said he finds it hard to grasp the $8 billion difference.

“The biggest change is the radar,” Roche said at a Defense Writers Group meeting in mid-March. “In changing the radar, the price of the radar falls 40 percent. So it doesn’t go up; it goes down.”

Roche said the “second biggest change” is inclusion of the small diameter bomb, but the small diameter bomb is going to go on lots of things.” He added, “I don’t know what got included in the costs of air-to-ground.”

Taking Sides on Tacair

The mostly favorable news on the F/A-22 impressed many members of Congress, most of whom said the F/A-22 is on firmer ground. However, they noted that tactical aviation as a whole is facing stiff problems.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), chairman of the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, on March 25 claimed that, despite his support for the F/A-22, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, and the Navy’s F/A-18E/F, the long-anticipated procurement “train wreck”—too many programs and not enough money to fund them all—is approaching.

He said that the defense budget can’t sustain three Tacair programs along with other top defense needs.

“Something has to give,” Weldon said. It may be this year or the next several years, he said, but Congress is going to “have to be able to make some extremely difficult and tough decisions.”

Weldon pointed out that a year ago no one expected the Army to kill its Comanche scout helicopter program and said that he didn’t want to go any further with the three fighter programs if they aren’t all affordable.

The mounting pressure on Tacair programs was evident in other Congressional sessions, as well. However, support for the F/A-22 seemed solid, at least for the moment.

In a March 24 Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, chairman Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) said he is committed to the Raptor. “This committee did save the C-17,” said Stevens. “We saved the Predator. We saved the B-2. And, as far as I’m concerned, we’re going to save the F/A-22.”

One former foe of the F/A-22, Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, who dealt the program some significant delays and funding cuts in 1999, told Congressional Quarterly that he had turned around on the Raptor.

“Our members have come a long way down the path of believing that the F/A-22 is an asset that we cannot afford to do without,” said Lewis.

Weldon said he couldn’t see the F/A-22 being terminated, however, because it, like the F/A-18, is already in production. In his view, not being in production makes the F-35 vulnerable.

The F-35, on the other hand, he said, is “just a viewgraph” not a real airplane yet, and that could lead some to make it a target.

Weldon emphasized that the Pentagon does not have the “political clout to support something that is, maybe, three years from now vs. what is here—and that is a practical reality we have to deal with.”

However, Weldon pressed the services to “make the case” for the F-35 primarily because canceling the program would leave the Marine Corps “in a bind.”

New Study To Address Airlift Shortfall

Gen. John W. Handy, commander of US Transportation Command and Air Mobility Command, told lawmakers in March that the Defense Department will soon begin a new mobility capabilities study (MCS). It is long overdue, he said, because current airlift is about 18 percent short of the now obsolete airlift goals set by a study concluded nearly four years ago.

The earlier study, Mobility Requirements Study 2005, dubbed MRS-05, was released in January 2001. Since then, worldwide operations in support of the war on terrorism have caused airlift demands to surge. “The requirements in our business have gone up dramatically compared to what MRS-05 thought they would be,” Handy told the House Armed Services Committee.

He said that the new MCS would be an all encompassing mobility review—air, land, and sea. However, he emphasized that the airlift portion would see the most “dramatic impact.”

Handy said TRANSCOM’S No. 1 shortfall is its “aging and numerically inadequate strategic airlift fleet.”

The current strategic airlift shortfall of 9.8 million ton-miles per day (MTM/D) is based on the MRS-05 goal of 54.5 MTM/D. The true airlift shortfall is almost certainly greater than MRS-05 indicates.

Handy said that the Pentagon was to begin the new review by June and would issue a report by spring 2005. He noted that the 10-month timeline “presents an ambitious challenge.”

The TRANSCOM head also told lawmakers that to meet future air mobility challenges, the Air Force will need “high speed, low observable, multimission strategic mobility aircraft with short takeoff and landing as well as autonomous approach capabilities.”

Beyond Goldwater-Nichols

An independent study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies says that while DOD has made great strides in jointness and rationalizing its structure over the last 20 years, it is still wasting money and stifling innovation with unnecessary red tape and layers of bureaucracy.

Phase 1 of the CSIS report, titled “Beyond Goldwater-Nichols: Defense Reform for a New Strategic Era,” reviews and builds on the 1986 Goldwater-Nichols reforms, considered the most comprehensive defense reorganization effort since the 1947 National Security Act. The 1986 reforms enhanced civilian control of the department, secured the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the principal military advisor, and strengthened the authority of combatant commanders—all changes that were intended to speed development of jointness among the services.

The center prepared the study that led to the Goldwater-Nichols legislation, prompting many defense analysts to suggest the new report may serve as a blueprint for a major restructuring of the Pentagon.

CSIS officials said the Beyond Goldwater-Nichols (BGN) team has regularly briefed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and USAF Gen. Richard B. Meyers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, on the study.

John J. Hamre, president of CSIS and former deputy defense secretary, said he expects the Pentagon to implement the findings “almost to the degree of the Space Commission” report, issued in January 2001. Rumsfeld originally chaired the Space Commission and acted on its findings when he became Secretary.

In Phase 1 of Beyond Goldwater-Nichols, CSIS recommends eliminating entire layers of staff for the senior levels of the department to promote faster decision-making, shorter system development time, and greater accountability all around.

CSIS said the Office of the Secretary of Defense should “focus on policy formation and oversight, resist the temptation to manage programs, and consolidate housekeeping functions under an assistant secretary.”

Two of the senior layers targeted in the BGN report are the separate staffs maintained by each branch of the armed forces to support a service’s two most senior civilian and military leaders. For the Air Force, that would lead to the merger of the Secretariat and Air Staffs. CSIS believes this change within each service would “reduce friction,” foster better coordination, and “increase the coherency of service positions.”

Another recommendation would expand the undersecretary of intelligence position to include command, control, and communications. The BGN team indicated that such a move would improve the Pentagon’s ability to acquire and field joint interoperable command and control capabilities, an endeavor it is currently “failing.”

CSIS recommends that DOD eliminate competing sources of advice about personnel matters by combining elements of manpower and personnel on the Joint Staff with similar functions on Rumsfeld’s staff under a military deputy to the undersecretary of personnel and readiness.

For the logistics arena, the BGN team believes that both the Defense Secretary and JCS Chairman need stronger support. To achieve that, they would integrate much of the Joint Staff’s logistics function with the deputy undersecretary of defense for logistics and materiel readiness and place the new entity under a three-star military deputy to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology, and logistics. That would be “a major step in ensuring sufficient OSD attention to this critical function,” stated the report.

Other logistics recommendations include making a two-star deputy to the Joint Staff’s head of operations responsible for operational logistics planning and moving the Joint Logistics Operations Center under the J-3 (operations) umbrella.

The BGN group believes that Rumsfeld has made some progress toward enhancing joint focus in the resource allocation process, but they recommend more emphasis. Specifically, they want to give the combatant commanders a stronger role.

CSIS suggests the Pentagon must strengthen the defense civilian force, including creating a new Defense Professionals Corps “to attract the best and brightest ... and provide greatly expanded opportunities for professional development.”

At least three proposals are beyond the scope of the Pentagon but would significantly impact its operations. CSIS calls for the President to appoint a new Presidential assistant on the National Security Council staff to coordinate action between federal departments involved in operations abroad and create a new NSC Office of Stability Operations. In line with that move, CSIS said Congress should create an independent Agency for Stability Operations that contains a Civilian Stability Operations Corps that would organize, train, equip, and deploy a civilian force for post-military operations.

Additionally, the Beyond Goldwater-Nichols report suggests that Congress “reform itself” with an eye toward “reinvigorating Congressional oversight of DOD.” CSIS suggests that armed services committees should focus on macro strategy, policy, and organizational issues. The report also suggests Congress should sharply reduce the size of its authorizing committees and limit claims of jurisdiction over DOD operations.

Since Congress usually doesn’t give up power voluntarily, the authors asked Congress to establish a method similar to the base realignment and closure process to accomplish this task of assessing “current committee membership, structures, and jurisdictions and make recommendations on how to enhance Congressional oversight.” A second phase of the report, due to be completed early next year, will examine how DOD organizes for “new missions and new domains of warfare,” the acquisition process, defense agencies, and joint professional military education, among other topics.

Long-Range Strike Takes Steps Forward

The Air Force is speeding up its plans to acquire a new long-range strike capability by about a decade. Two new service offices—one at Air Combat Command and one at Air Force Materiel Command—have been set up to help quicken the pace toward finding a successor for today’s bombers.

The offices will develop an analysis of alternatives and manage acquisition of a future long-range strike capability, Gen. T. Michael Moseley, USAF vice chief of staff, told the House Armed Services Committee in March. He said that the Air Force planned to have a new system in service by 2025.

That is more than a decade sooner than USAF’s previous plan, which called for a bomber replacement to come online around 2037.

The two offices were funded out of the $100 million Congress inserted in the Fiscal 2004 defense authorization bill specifically to begin work on a successor to USAF’s bomber fleet. (See “Washington Watch: On to the Next Bomber,” January, p. 8.) Congress was concerned that USAF was not moving fast enough.

Moseley did not limit the new long-range strike system to a specific platform; instead he said USAF was considering a “portfolio of options that includes manned and unmanned systems, air breathing and space systems, and a wide mix of munitions connected to a network backbone of command and control that facilitates global strike.”

However, he noted that the service is still thinking about a “bridge capability” to provide more deep strike choices while the new system is developed.

To form this bridge, the Air Force is considering an F/A-22 variant, called an FB-22, to serve as a “regional” bomber, in the words of Secretary Roche. It would have a theater capability but not global reach. The FB-22 would have a range of about 1,800 miles, with a payload of up to 30 small diameter bombs. The aircraft would not have all the maneuvering capability of the F/A-22, but would retain stealth and high speed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airforce; f22; fa22; military; miltech; raptor; tactical
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To: Pukin Dog
I'm not trying to make you mad. Sometimes my presentation of facts leaves much to be desired. I was trying to say that the F-22 can't do what Rutan's civilian SpaceShipOne can do in two specific areas. It can't go as high as Rutan (sub-orbital 212,000 feet already this year) and it can't go as fast (Mach 6).
61 posted on 05/31/2004 6:51:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: VaBthang4; Rokke
F-117 max ceiling is 45K. A show of hands for those who believe we would come up with a mission profile using the gas in that little bird to get up there and STAY up there?

Anyone?

I'm not knockin the plane, gentlemen.

Anyway, I gotta go. Carry on.

62 posted on 05/31/2004 6:52:20 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Rockpile
I hope that F35 money goes into more airlift and more tankers.

Allow your humble infantry brother to add his admittedly uneducated and sure-to-be-ridiculed comment... GET MORE WARTHOGS!

Okay, okay, somebody had to say it!

Did I already mention my opinion was both uneducated and sure to be ridiculed? :)

63 posted on 05/31/2004 6:57:58 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It)
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To: Southack
"No, what it looks like to the enemy is the U.S. pouring money into a never-ending hole."

"What has happened is that everyone in the world now realizes that something more advanced than the F-18 isn't needed. The F-22 is overkill for replacing the F-15, F-16, and eventually the F-18 (and the F-35 isn't even worth talking about)."

There is so much of you post that begs to be commented on. I will say that yo probably got something right. In this context, "the F-35 isn't worth talking about". Beyond that one point, you're lost. Why is it that only you thinks that the Russians, Chinese, Indians, and the French is just rolling over and peeing on themselves at the mere thought about facing US air power. We are the best, clearly, but no one is just giving up. And only you thinks that the battle is going into space by the end of the month.

C'mon. Look at the life of any modern weapon system. You build it and then fit it to whatever roll it needs to fit as the budget demands. The F-117 is a nice exception, but that's about it. And as nice as the F-18 is, or the F-15, F-16 or even the F-14 are, they are almost out-dated by the modern Russian airframes. Let's leap ahead in technology again...as is the American birthright, and make them all play catch up for a few decades to come. We need to build the F-22. We owe it to our pilots to give them the best the world can conceive of. Right now, that honor is going to the Typhoon II. And that fact that the french have better tech than we do should not sit well with anyone.

Space? Sure, someday. We'll all be in Rutan's spaceforce, oK? But let's live in the moment, and live in the next a few decades to come and buy the F-22. (I wish is would have been the F-23, as I might still have the dream job I loved, but that's life.)

64 posted on 05/31/2004 7:00:42 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Tragically Single

No ridicule from this former 0331.

A-10s stacked to heaven is my kinda concept.


65 posted on 05/31/2004 7:03:27 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: risk; El Sordo; campfollower; Jimmy Valentine's brother

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Praise GOD that...

President BUSH has promised...

during a BUSH Presidency,

as our own best self-protection...

against future Terrorist Attacks here at home...



FREEDOM's Return to:

Communist Vietnam
Communist North Korea
Communist Cuba


..as well as...


FREEDOM's Arrival to:

The entire Middle East..!!!


For this is THE Issue of Election Year 2004.


.."Will Americans vote for their own self-protection or their own self-destruction in Time of War..?"


BUSH stands ready to act prudently on our behalf.


Will we let him or deny him..?

.


66 posted on 05/31/2004 7:06:34 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: VaBthang4
How much does an A-10 cost, I wonder? I'm guessing (pure guessery, this) that you can probably buy about ten of them for one super-ultra-highspeed-mega fighter. Hell... we could get one for each infantry battalion...

OMG... I think I have to change my shorts. Be right back.

67 posted on 05/31/2004 7:06:54 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It)
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To: Pukin Dog
Just a point of order. . ."most heavily defended airspace" used to be Baghdad and the results of that defense were hardly impressive. Lots of bang and flash but no foul. Bottom line; given the tactical training of the North Koreans and given their operational inflexibility, I find your assessment to be overly harsh and pessimistic.

My impression and sources tell me the F-35 will survive but in significantly reduced numbers. . .much like the B-2 and the F-22, but worse (if that makes sense).

Cheers.
68 posted on 05/31/2004 7:08:05 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Charlotte Corday
>>$1 BILLION plus for a single plane?<<

Hi.

Cost is a complicated issue because the cost per jet goes down the more you make. Aerospace companies take about 7-10 yrs before a jet comes off the line, and in that time they spend a bunch of bucks. Aerospace companies must recoup their non-recurring R&D costs. . .much like May-tag and washing machines. If May tag only built a couple of dozen machines then the cost per unit would be sky high. Consequently, by cutting the number of jets you raise the cost per jet, and that makes for great hype in the papers but is not a reflection of a) the true value of the jet, and b) where the blame for the high cost should be placed.

Cheers
69 posted on 05/31/2004 7:14:31 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Monty22

>>You must work for Boeing.

He might, but that wouldn't matter much since both F-22 and F-35 are Lockheed Martin aircraft.


70 posted on 05/31/2004 7:14:46 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Charlotte Corday

The more you buy, the less the unit cost. Its sounds expensive because you're dividing the cost of 23 years worth of R&D over 250 aircraft. To make it worthwhile, you need to buy a lot more. Frankly, its just plain dumb to develop only buy a handful of aircraft when you have a 25+ year acquisition cycle.

BTW--I came into the AF in 1985. At that time, they were doing dem val on the FA-22 (then it was called the Advanced Tactical Fighter). I will likely retire next year and they STILL haven't fielded the plane--think about that.


71 posted on 05/31/2004 7:17:27 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: GBA
"And as nice as the F-18 is, or the F-15, F-16 or even the F-14 are, they are almost out-dated by the modern Russian airframes."

Why?

Airframes don't change the human body. Pilots can only take so many G's.

What do you think that the Russians did to their airframes to give them such an advantage?

Specifically?

Frankly, they have no advantage. They aren't more advanced, and they don't merit spending $26 Billion on 23 F-22's.

Also, you do realize that Rutan has *already* gone sub-orbital this year, yes?!

That's a civilian doing what the F-22 can't, by the way.

Tell me again, specifically, why we should pay to do less than what civilians can manage?

72 posted on 05/31/2004 7:20:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Monty22

>>Other planes are already obsolete. What can stand up to the F-15, F-16, F-14, and F-117...much less to the F-18?

No current plane can, one on one, but if we have to fight China over Taiwan, within a few hundred miles of their shores, it won't be one on one. Each F-22 can shoot down two Sukhois at least, none of our other planes can.


73 posted on 05/31/2004 7:20:36 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: LonghornFreeper

I meant that he's incredibly against the planes, which makes me wonder if he works/worked for the company that lost out to them.


74 posted on 05/31/2004 7:20:57 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: VaBthang4
Of course it can hit its target and with a high Pk as well. Altitude really doesn't matter (unless it's too low to build up enough kinetic energy to control the munition).

Once the munition reaches terminal velocity, it's gonna fly like it does from 10K, 20k, 40K. . .no matter. . .but let's not get carried away here, we don't generally deliver at 40K or 50K.

BTW, usual limitation for standard PGM's are targeting related. Can the tgt pod designate and can the PGM detect from great ranges?

As far as GPS is concerned, GPS is GPS.
75 posted on 05/31/2004 7:22:02 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: GBA

No problem.


76 posted on 05/31/2004 7:22:17 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: Tragically Single

>>GET MORE WARTHOGS!<<

Here, here!


77 posted on 05/31/2004 7:22:59 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack

>>But the F-22 can't do what Rutan's civilian SpaceShipOne can do. It can't go as high as Rutan and it can't go as fast. Rutan's machine carries up to 3 people and costs only $10 million. The F-22 can't touch that, even though we're spending more than a Billion Dollars per Raptor right now.

What are you smoking? The F-22 can't make toast either. In fact, to my knowledge, no current US fighter aircraft can, so I guess we might as well just give up on them. SpaceShipOne is designed for a completely different purpose than a fighter aircraft, it has no attack or defense capabilities of any kind, nor could they easily be added.


78 posted on 05/31/2004 7:24:09 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Tragically Single
Cost was around $9M per jet. . .when the jet was bought and the production line open. Would be way too costly to open that line again. . .especially when you can justify spending big bucks on a multi-role stealth jet rather than try and defend spending big bucks on a single mission non-stealthy jet.

My hearts in the Hog, anyway. Luv'd flying that jet and shooting the gun. . .most fun I ever had with my pants on.

I'm NOT kidding.
79 posted on 05/31/2004 7:26:10 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Coolbeans, thanks.

BTW: Maximum Ceiling for the F117? Is that knowable outside of a security clearance?


80 posted on 05/31/2004 7:27:24 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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