VIOLENT DEATH ENDS THEIR FASCINATION WITH SAUDI ARABIA

The Saudi Gazette ^ | 05/31/04 | Joe Avancena

[goldstategop]

That's what I was getting at. I don't take pleasure in the violent death of innocent people. If they don't treat strangers with kindness, no I wouldn't want to work there. The larger point that goes beyond a paycheck, something I think we can all agree upon here is, that as an American, when I go abroad, I would like to be treated with R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Its not too much to ask for, even in Third World backwaters like Saudi Arabia.

[goldstategop]

There's a difference between places where we have to be and places where we are supposed to be guests. If we aren't treated like guests in Saudi Arabia its time to pack up and leave before we get slaughtered like animals. As Americans, we're entitled to inalienable human dignity, including the right to live, and we don't require Al Qaeda's permission to keep it. If they want us there, let them stop assaulting our people. Its that simple, amigo.

[My Dog Likes Me]

Evil is the right word.

What concerns me the most is a terrible feeling that 90% of the world's Muslims are about one degree away from "acting-out" in a similar crazed terroristic fashion and thus triggering their own nuclear annihilation at our hands.

I mean, three of four terrorists in this Saudi compound assault got away! Say what? They're all liars. The terrorists, ourFriendstheSaudis, the Religion of Peace, blah blah...

[river rat]

"people are blaming the victims and treating the terrorists' demands as reasonable."

You really need to learn how to read and think, before you let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass.

Semper Fi

[B4Ranch]

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.

Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.

Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.

United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.

Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.

Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.

Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.

Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.

India votes against the United States 81% of the time.

Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.

Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

US Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually

It is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.

Now they want to cut oil production, We should cut aid to them by 50% to start.

[Wilhelm Tell]

I don't know where they expect to get their fuel.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad:
Let's get our own oil and not have to depend on the Saudis for it -- as long as we don't drill for it.
Let's find other technoligies that don't depend on fossil fuels -- oops, nuclear power is too dangerous.
Gasoline should cost $3 per gallon to force people to conserve -- gasoline costs $2 per gallon and this is an outrage that is hurting the poor people!
Fossil fuels cause global cooling -- fossil fuels cause global warming, so we must ban fossil fuels now.
At last! We can use power lines to bring electricity to everyone -- but power lines emit dangerous electro-magnetic fields so we must ban power lines now.
At last! We can generate cheap, safe electricity using hydroelectric dams -- but dams are big, ugly structures that interfere with the "natural" flow of rivers, so we must ban hydroelectric dams now.
At last! We can generate cheap, safe electricity using windmills -- but windmills are ugly and even kill birds, so we must ban windmills now.
At last! We can generate cheap, safe electricity using solar power -- but solar cell arrays themselves capture a lot of heat from the sun and this may harm the environment (even if the solar cells are in the middle of a desert), so we must ban the use of solar power now.
We need small, fuel-efficient cars -- but these cars are dangerous in an accident, so we must ban small, dangerous cars now.
Bigger vehicles are safer in an accident -- but SUVs are ugly status symbols and use too much fuel, so we must ban SUVs now.
The government should "do something" so that everyone has cheap wireless connectivity to the phone system and the internet -- but cell phone towers are ugly and cell phones emit dangerous radio waves, so we must ban towers and cell phones now.
Those were just the Luddite excuses I could think off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find more if I were to read Al Gore's book.

[kcvl]

ROFLOL! Exactly.

[bert]

You are a stupid man and have no clue about what you speak.

[Dr. Frank fan]

I do have a problem working in place where your termination from your job is getting your dead body dragged behind a terrorhoid's car.

Why do you not blame the terrorhoid?

So if it sounds pretty demented, its cause the Saudis have made their country unsafe for foreign expatriates to work in, not the other way around. Its not the victims fault they got murdered.

Then why did you refer to their salaries as "ill-gotten gains"?

It just seemed to me it was bad luck they tried making a living in a part of the world where they were told in the gristliest possible terms that they weren't welcome.

Bad luck indeed.

Nazi Germany was a part of the world where Jews weren't welcome. Would you have reacted to the murder of Jews there by saying, "Is it really worth it working in a country where Jews are hated?" Or even worse, "I hope they enjoy their ill-gotten gains six feet under."

[Dr. Frank fan]

I think his point was if you want to work in a country were most want to drag you through the streets naked until dead, you do so at a great risk.

That would have been a much more reasonable point for him to have made.

I don't see how the phrase "ill-gotten gains", which he used, could possibly relate to this point.

[hosepipe]

Money is the root of all evil, some say. And Saudi Arabia is a pipeline of evil to the western and eastern worlds. 85% of americas mosques are financed by the Saudis. People directly involved with the Saudis are either dupes or don't even care about that at all. The Saudis weapon of mass destruction are the worlds currencies: money. The cabal in Riyadh care about themselves and a few more years of control of their scam. They know their time is limited so they buy off the terrorists and others in sympathy with them (in various contras).

About the only worse example malfeasance in the worlds economies are america democrats. All american democrats even ex-democrats are why the Saudis are NOT afraid to wield their weapon of mass economic degradation. The oil rich sand monkeys are primitives that would'nt even make the Jerry Springer show without american democrat support.

The american democrats moratorium on drilling America for oil (Alaska and other places) are the Saudis greatest political mole. For Alaska has as much or MORE oil than the Saudi peninsula. Why not drill for oil Independence's and maybe even EXPORT ?.. American democrats and a few republicans. A portion of ever dollar that goes to Saudi Arabia ends up in terrorist hands. Islam runs on blood money and Saudi Arabia runs on money period.

The Saudis are a symptom of the problem. American democrats and some, maybe most, ex-democrats are the source. Because without the money to finance islams malfeasance the muslims would be involved in tribal intrigues and further destroying their gene pool and inter tribal murder, as they have for that last 1426 years..

Are American democrats and ex-democrats the most obvious threat to america ?
Answer: Absolutely.. You can remove the democrat from the party, buts its almost impossible to remove the democrat from the democrat. If they had any sense they would'nt have been a democrat at all. Did I say almost impossible, YES, I did.. Well, I'm an optimist..

[FITZ]

You are more likely to be murdered in most U.S. cities than in Saudi Arabia. What about those sh*tholes where WE live?

Probably most of us try to stay out of those too.

[FITZ]

It is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.

We should limit our government aid, our trade, our immigration and student visas to just our allies --- let our enemies start to rot. We need to become self-sufficient in everything possible, develop alternate energy sources so that we can shut down those who don't support us or share our goals.

[FITZ]

Nazi Germany was a part of the world where Jews weren't welcome. Would you have reacted to the murder of Jews there by saying, "Is it really worth it working in a country where Jews are hated?"

In a way you would --- would you want to work in Nazi hospitals, work in building up Nazi infrastructure, keep the Nazi economy and society rolling? And in another way --- would you want the Jews to have their own homeland --- Israel, so they would not have to live in a country where they are hated but instead could have their own.

[Dr. Frank fan]

In a way you would --- would you want to work in Nazi hospitals, work in building up Nazi infrastructure, keep the Nazi economy and society rolling?

You mean would Jews in Germany have wanted to work in Germany at the time the Nazis gained power? Of course they would have, and did, if/when they were allowed to, one assumes. If/when they got killed for it, you're *really* saying you'd react with the comment "i hope they enjoy their ill gotten gains six feet under"? that *was* my point with the analogy after all

I still can't figure out what the hell the guy meant by calling the salaries of innocent people "ill-gotten gains"

would you want the Jews to have their own homeland --- Israel, so they would not have to live in a country where they are hated but instead could have their own.

Sure ok.

That still doesn't mean that if/when Jews get murdered elsewhere for existing in a place where lots of other people hate them, I'd spit on their graves.

Which is essentially what the guy i was responding to did.