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What Is American Corporatism?
FrontPageMag.com ^ | September 13th, 2002 | Robert Locke

Posted on 05/30/2004 2:10:00 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis

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A must read! Robert Locke is an amazing writer and a constitutional conservative in every sense of the word.
1 posted on 05/30/2004 2:10:02 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis; *Taxreform

BUMP!

An in-depth look at corporatism and the right-left reality from a constitutional conservative's point of view.


2 posted on 05/30/2004 2:11:26 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I've been arguing this point for some time. The one area I disagree with the author though, is that for all of their nominal complaints about it, most of the Left has *embraced* corporatism.

Intriguingly, even on FR you can run into those who refuse to believe either what our economic system has become or where said system finds its origins...


3 posted on 05/30/2004 2:24:15 AM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: A. Pole; RussianConservative; neutrino

ping


4 posted on 05/30/2004 3:01:04 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Corporatism has most decidedly NOT replaced Capitalism. It is one form of capitalism, just as are Mercantilism, Communism and Fascism and other forms of socialism and like those forms, Corporatism is modification and stifling of the free market. Capitalism is the use of a portion of the earnings of production to increase production or commence new production. That is Capital and its uses. Socialists simply believe that government is the proper custodian and dispenser of capital. In Mercantilism government does not own capital but government determines who has access to capital.

Socialism has never opposed capitalism but opposes, rather, the free market. K. Marx's book Capital is about the "proper" uses of capital and it's formation and control, not about whether it should exist or not. Free Capitalism might be a better term for the economic system that built America.

5 posted on 05/30/2004 3:48:47 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: raybbr

This covers most of the domestic ramifications. Carrying it further, explains a considerable amount of problems we have trying to impose it on the rest of the world. The biggest fly in the ointment will be the depression that comes following the complete corporatism of the state. Capital formation is still required to feed the corporation and state. When it ceases, as it appears now, the corporaton and state both fail.


6 posted on 05/30/2004 3:52:16 AM PDT by meenie
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To: meenie; *Taxreform

Then support HR 25 and S 1493, AKA the FairTax Act. The FairTax is a national retail sales tax (NRST) that would replace the income tax and repeal the 16th amendment.

The passage of the FairTax would seriously cripple American Corporatism by denying the FEDERAL Government of manipulating businesses by manipulating the tax code. There will be no income tax, there will be no corporate tax, there be no capital gains tax, there will be no corporate welfare, there will be no estate tax, there will be no federal taxes other than a 23% sales tax applied to every retail good purchased. Businesses will no longer pay taxes, yet they will no longer recieve corporate welfare as a political favor.

Of course, we'll still have the problem of corporatism in the form of:
(1) the Federal Reserve
(2) State and Local Governments
(3) federal spending programs

But the most egregious form of American Corporatism: the manipulation of american business through a "penalty and rewards" system of taxation and subsidies.

If you have any questions, ask me or anyone else on the [*taxreform] ping list.


7 posted on 05/30/2004 4:06:33 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.


8 posted on 05/30/2004 4:08:41 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Remember_Salamis
without renegotiating the social contract that underlies it

I keep hearing about this #$%$## "social contract". I never signed or agreed to any social contract. It was forced on me at gun point. And that is considered an unconscionable contract. The problem is, the one force that negates unconscionable contracts (the government) is the one that forced me into it.

9 posted on 05/30/2004 5:20:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Remember_Salamis
I do not have time right now to read the entire article, but after reading the first 4 paragraphs and felt like I was reading "Atlas Shrugged," by Ayn Rand again.

I strongly recommend to all true conservatives, those who wish to "conserve" the constitution and capitalism, those who oppose to corporatism, to take the time to read "Atlas Shrugged."

And remember, "Atlas Shrugged" was published in 1957. You will be shocked at the uncaning resemblance to the novels story line and the headlines today.

10 posted on 05/30/2004 5:26:36 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: sauropod

read later


11 posted on 05/30/2004 5:26:55 AM PDT by sauropod (Paleo-cons make better lovers)
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To: tahiti

I haven't read it yet, but have studied most of the key points in it. It's on my summer reading list though.


12 posted on 05/30/2004 5:28:40 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: swilhelm73
The one area I disagree with the author though, is that for all of their nominal complaints about it, most of the Left has *embraced* corporatism.

Yep. Ted Turner. Big media. Hollywood. Law practice.

13 posted on 05/30/2004 5:34:26 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Remember_Salamis

Wow, he is good.


14 posted on 05/30/2004 5:52:28 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: swilhelm73

There are essentially three economic views in the West: Corporatists/Statists, the anti-corporatist right, and the anti-corporatist left.

The anti-corporatist Left is basically unreformed Marxists. They still believe that distribution of capital and goods by the state is still feasible.

The Corporatists have their leftists and rightists, but fundamental views differ little between a Bill Clinton and a Richard Nixon.

We are the anti-corporate Right. We yearn for a pre-1913 (Fed. Reserve, 16th Amenddment, 17th Amendment, etc.) American economy. We've been losing, but not as bad as the Marxists. Most of us are putting our hopes into Fundamental Tax Reform (FTR), most recently the FairTax and it's accompanying legislation. The rest of us are rigid in our ideology, unwilling to take one step back to take three steps forward, or have given up and are waiting for the collapse.


15 posted on 05/30/2004 5:52:33 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Ahban

I can't find an article written by locke since early 2003. He stopped writing for FrontPageMag.com in February 03 and VDare.com in March 03. He's probably just taking time off or something.

You're right, he is simply amazing in his analysis and knowledge base. Try reading Lowell Ponte over at FrontPAgeMag.com as well. He writes a little bit more powerfully, but doesn't have Locke's depth.


16 posted on 05/30/2004 5:56:04 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis

bump for later


17 posted on 05/30/2004 6:09:13 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Remember_Salamis

bump


18 posted on 05/30/2004 6:15:11 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Remember_Salamis

James Burnham essentially said all this 60 years ago in his 'The Managerial Revolution'.


19 posted on 05/30/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Hayek's The Road to Serfdom (published in 1944) is dedicated to “socialists of all parties.” Nothing much has changed in 60 years.
20 posted on 05/30/2004 6:56:32 AM PDT by evilC
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