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Calling All Ids: Freudians at War
NY Times ^ | May 29, 2004 | D. D GUTTENPLAN

Posted on 05/29/2004 10:10:24 AM PDT by neverdem

LONDON, May 28 — Who owns psychoanalysis? That question is at the center of the most recent battle here in the Freud Wars, the epic (or as the man himself might say, interminable) struggle over the legacy of Sigmund Freud, pioneer psychotherapist, cartographer of the unconscious and former resident of Hampstead, the leafy corner of Northwest London where the concentration of therapeutic couches per square mile may be even higher than on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

Late last year a new group calling itself the College of Psychoanalysts sent out a letter inviting British therapists who met certain qualifications to list themselves on the organization's "register of practitioners." The British Psychoanalytical Society, headquarters of classical Freudian analysis, responded with a statement accusing college members of "misleading the public about their training and qualifications." And then the fireworks really started. One founder of the college — which is a professional organization rather than a training institution — countered with a letter describing the society's action as "a phobic response to growth as symbolized in the Oedipal myth." An opponent of the college, on the other hand, described the new group as "an association of wannabes and poseurs."

More recently, the society's Web site included a disclaimer describing the college as a device for allowing therapists "to pass themselves off to the public as though they were trained psychoanalysts." In British law, "passing off" is a form of fraud; this was a declaration of war.

Susie Orbach, a therapist, an active member of the college and the author of the best-selling "Fat Is a Feminist Issue" and other books, says the dispute has already had "a chilling effect" on British intellectual life. To her, the society's argument that the title psychoanalyst "refers not to what the practitioner does, but what they have been trained to do" is nonsensical, a spurious restraint on trade.

"I do the work," she said. "My contributions are contributions to psychoanalysis, its theory and clinical practice, not to some other field."

On the surface, this is a parochial argument about labels and credentials, a tempest in a Viennese teacup — or at most, a professional turf war. But you don't have to probe the protagonists too deeply to discover that this is also a battle over the nature of therapy itself — what it is, what it does, how it works. And it quickly becomes apparent that alongside the intellectual controversy is a bare knuckles fight over money, power and prestige. These people, after all, are professionals of the ego.

The roots of this battle are in some ways peculiar to Britain. Unlike American psychotherapy, which is regulated by states (with some states, including New York starting next year, licensing psychoanalysts as a separate category), British psychotherapy is completely unregulated by the government. Also, until recently, most psychoanalysts in the United States were required to have medical degrees. The British analysts, however, like others in Europe, follow Freud's view in his essay "On Lay Analysis" and have never required medical training or graduate study in psychology. And because almost all psychotherapy in Britain takes place outside the National Health Service, the government has remained neutral. Legally, anyone with sufficient chutzpah can call himself a psychoanalyst here.

Still, the arguments and effects of the dispute are likely to reverberate on both sides of the Atlantic.

"The same conflict exists in the United States," says Jaine Darwin, president of the American Psychological Association's division of psychoanalysis. "There are the same arguments about standards within the profession," she added, having to do with licensing, training requirements and government registration.

Some of these battles have been raging for years. In 1989 the American Psychoanalytic Association — which had required members to have a medical degree — agreed to settle an antitrust lawsuit and allow psychologists, social workers, nurses and other mental health professionals to enter analytic training. That opening to the outside, however grudgingly done, probably saved American psychoanalysis from extinction. (In Britain the members of the British Psychoanalytical Society have an average age of 65.)

The flow of new analysts, though, raised a new set of problems. New candidates had to agree to the traditional training regime: a personal analysis four or five times a week lasting several years, and a number of supervised training analyses where the candidate saw patients, again four or five times a week, under supervision. What is so magical, some wanted to know, about four-times-a-week analysis? Why not three times a week, or two? Is there a real difference between analytic psychotherapy and psychoanalysis?

These questions are now being asked in Britain, along with some others. What began, said Joseph Schwartz, as "a simple jurisdictional dispute — like a fight between rival unions" — has the potential to become something far more interesting. An American transplant to Britain and the author of "Cassandra's Daughter: A History of Psychoanalysis" (Penguin, 2001), Mr. Schwartz is a Berkeley-trained physicist as well as a therapist on the register of the College of Psychoanalysis.

Ever since the day in 1911 when Alfred Adler and his followers left the Vienna Psychoanalytic Society, the history of psychoanalysis has been notoriously divided. Even so, all psychoanalysts share certain beliefs: the importance of the unconscious, for example. And Freud's own legacy is still central. His sense of mistreatment by Viennese academics is one reason psychoanalytic training still goes on mostly in private institutes rather than in university departments.

Shaped partly by their divergent histories and partly by differing national cultures, British and American psychoanalysis became quite different enterprises. In Britain, the encouragement of lay analysis and the influence of Bloomsbury figures like Virginia Woolf, who published Freud's writings in English, and whose brother Adrian Stephen actually trained as an analyst, gave psychoanalysis a distinctly literary flavor. The Hungarian refugee Melanie Klein, with her emphasis on internal experiences, envy and aggression, became the dominant figure in postwar British psychoanalysis.

During the same period in the United States the vast majority of psychoanalysts were also medical doctors. One consequence of this was that much more psychoanalysis in the United States took place in institutional settings like hospitals or asylums. Another was a gradual loss of prestige as psychiatry, with its growing armory of antidepressant and antipsychotic drugs, turned toward the pharmacy and away from the talking cure.

Both sides of the current dispute in Britain put clinical practice at the heart of psychoanalysis. Here the differences are as much political as theoretical. Analysts today are already free to discount Freud's focus on instinct. And though the requirement of analysis four or five times a week for candidates does guarantee steady work for the training analysts, their trainees are going to have to compete for patients in a world enthralled by quick fixes, whether out of a bottle or in a behavioral therapist's office, and where the superiority of psychoanalysis — once commonly described as the "gold standard" of therapy — is no longer taken for granted.

Julia Fabricius, incoming president of the British Psychoanalytical Society, says, "Psychoanalysis as an academic discipline is open to anybody," but she defends the society's qualifications for membership. She adds that she does not regard psychotherapists who aren't analysts as "second-class citizens."

Robert Maxwell Young, a Yale-educated British-trained psychoanalytic psychotherapist and former Cambridge historian of science, is outside both camps. Though he points out that he held the first chair of psychoanalytic studies in Europe, at the University of Sheffield in England, he is not a member of the society. And he has no desire to join the college. "I don't go to parties where I'm not invited," he said of the college's claim on the label psychoanalyst. "Even so, I have nightmares," he confesses, about not being allowed into psychoanalytic meetings.

What gives the dispute over the College of Psychoanalysts even more urgency is the sense that, in the next few years, psychoanalysis in Britain will soon be regulated. Lists and standards are going to be drawn up. Battle lines are forming over who who sets the standards and who keeps the lists.


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KEYWORDS: freud; psychiatry; psychoanalysis; psychology
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1 posted on 05/29/2004 10:10:24 AM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 05/29/2004 10:11:55 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; ...

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3 posted on 05/29/2004 10:14:21 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
I am the true owner of psychoanalysis, because je suis la plume sur le chapeau de ma tante. (I am the feather in my aunt's hat) or whatever.

They let me out to roam the streets for the holiday weekend, so long as I promise to take my prozac, paxil, zoloft....I live in the People's Republic of Marxachusetts, so I should remain pretty anonymous the whole time...

They're coming to take me away, ha ha ho ho hee hee...The Id goes marching on...

4 posted on 05/29/2004 10:25:11 AM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, and Gullible's Troubles, too!)
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To: neverdem

5 posted on 05/29/2004 10:47:26 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: neverdem
"misleading the public about their training and qualifications."

All of them. It's the Freudian way. As someone on FR once said, "all of their findings are either self-evident, or wrong."

6 posted on 05/29/2004 11:09:18 AM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: neverdem
"One founder of the college — which is a professional organization rather than a training institution — countered with a letter describing the society's action as "a phobic response to growth as symbolized in the Oedipal myth."

When I got to that response, I thought I'd been duped, and scrolled up to look at the source. It reads like a parody, but it's the real deal. Hilarious.

7 posted on 05/29/2004 11:15:09 AM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: neverdem

"Even so, I have nightmares," he confesses, about not being allowed into psychoanalytic meetings.


Ah, Robert, and how long HAVE you been having these feelings of rejection and insecurity?


8 posted on 05/29/2004 11:30:35 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

Too funny! I lived on the Upper West Side for many years and I got used to my friends visiting their therapists for decades (with no evidence of a cure ever on the horizon). It's going to be a real bummer for these folks if anybody ever looks beyond the smoke and mirrors and asks exactly why this should really be considered therapy. Not that I expect anything that extreme to happen.

And in any case, if they didn't waste their money on Freudian therapy, they would have wasted it on something else. Like channeling or hot rocks.


9 posted on 05/29/2004 12:11:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: neverdem
neverdem wrote: If there are any doubts, check the URL and you'll find that this article is listed in the ARTS section, not HEALTH or SCIENCE.

Perhaps they need to add a PSEUDO-SCIENCE section to carry such articles dealing with ideologies, fantasies of scientism, and modern higher education matters. Freud owns psychoanalysis, most of the "theories" being products of his own anxieties.

10 posted on 05/29/2004 12:40:37 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: albertp

If you are the true owner of psychoanalysis, I hope you remembered to copy write it! (and get rich thereby! LOL! )


11 posted on 05/29/2004 3:52:01 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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livius wrote:


Too funny! I lived on the Upper West Side for many years and I got used to my friends visiting their therapists for decades (with no evidence of a cure ever on the horizon).




Well of COURSE they are never cured! If you do THAT, the patient goes away happily and the money stops!


12 posted on 05/29/2004 3:53:38 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: livius

Hot rocks can be very nice on a sore back.....


13 posted on 05/29/2004 3:54:32 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tet68

tet68 wrote:



Ah, Robert, and how long HAVE you been having these feelings of rejection and insecurity?





If you can do that with an Austrian accent, you have a bright future ahead of you!


14 posted on 05/29/2004 3:56:15 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: neverdem

...sometimes an M79 is just an M79.


15 posted on 05/29/2004 3:57:32 PM PDT by RichInOC ("...it doesn't mean anything, Anna...it's only a dream...")
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To: tiamat
I've just read your homepage on Freerepublic.

I can sling Bible verses with the best and I can't stand hypocrites, bullies or bigots.

I love your attitude toward Christians who are in dire need of repentance and redemption but who deny it vehemently and hatefully. I've met a few of them myself, also, in small restaurants, at bus and train stations, in malls, etc. They assume an arrogant, all-knowing attitude, forgetting The One who ALONE is all-knowing. They claim to be out-of-the-mainstream, non-denominational, 'TRUE' Christians. I, too, can quote Bible verses with the best of them, and in Latin and Greek, too. They are always asking, "Do you want to be saved?" I reply: I HAVE BEEN SAVED, I AM SAVED, I AM BEING SAVED - past, present and future. Salvation is an ONGOING process, not a one-time affair as they arrogantly and oh-so-smugly and self-righteously imply. When they ask if I know how to pray, I drop bombshells on them, such as:

Thou art the eschatological manifestation of the kerygma in which we find the ultimate meaning of our interpersonal relationships... In the beginning was the undifferentiated cosmic singularity...then the Lord God said 'ACHOO!!!' and all hell broke loose...

No disrespect for the one true God, is intended, "from whom all families and all persons take their name," but these "people of God" sometimes need a good drubbing and a rude awakening from the rest of us, the 'Great Unwashed' in their eyes.

As for the topic of WHO OWNS PSYCHOANALYSIS?, we can also expand the thread or start others: WHO OWNS CHRISTIANITY? WHO OWNS JUDAISM? WHO OWNS ISLAM?

16 posted on 05/29/2004 5:42:59 PM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, and Gullible's Troubles, too!)
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Well, I actually have no problem with Christians if they are actually tying to live the life-style....

It's the Christian Taliban I have a problem with, and I have had WAY too many "Close Encounters' with THAT of late....My theory is, the LOUD ones never are real...and "Actions speak louder than words"

I am NOT an atheist. I believe in Deity, and I believe that prayer WORKS!

I support saying the Pledge with "Under God" in it, and I do not get bothered if a Nativity scene is displayed in a public park. ( After all, it's there, it's not hurting anyone, and it makes some people feel very, very, good! So why not? No skin offa MY nose! )

;-)




But what do I know....

;-)


17 posted on 05/29/2004 6:01:41 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tiamat

Hot rocks are probably a lot cheaper, too.


18 posted on 05/29/2004 7:10:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

MUCH cheaper, and Environmentaly Friendly!


19 posted on 05/29/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: neverdem

freud's theories started going out of fashion twenty yeaers ago...biochemistry is the basis for treatment now...although there are numerous types of talk therapy, few of them have been proven to work any better than talking to your average bartender...


20 posted on 05/29/2004 8:40:28 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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