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Hamtramck Mosques Will Start Call to prayer Friday 1:30
detroit free press ^ | 5/26/04

Posted on 05/26/2004 4:36:12 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy

Call to prayer, noise ordinance, to go before Hamtramck voters

Tuesday, May 25, 2004

BY CECIL ANGEL FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER It's now up to voters.

The decision that has split Hamtramck -- City Council approval of a noise ordinance that would have allowed the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast on loudspeakers from the Al-Islah Islamic Center -- was affirmed by a 5-0 vote Tuesday night.

Because the council didn't rescind the ordinance, the issue will go before voters, as required by the city charter. Until then, the city must put the ordinance on hold because residents filed petitions to stop it from going into law today.

The issue could be on the ballot as early as July in a special election or in August, the next regular election.

Even though the ordinance is in limbo, the Al-Islah mosque's leaders said Tuesday night they will begin broadcasting the call to prayer in Arabic at 1:30 p.m. Friday.

Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah Islamic Center, said the mosque has a constitutional right to broadcast the call to prayer, adding that it is already being done in Detroit and Dearborn.

"If Detroit can do it, why can't we?" he asked. "We have religious freedom. We can express our religion."

The mosque wouldn't be breaking any laws if it does, said Councilman Shahab Ahmed. He said the Islamic center was just being a good neighbor when it asked for the city's permission in January to begin broadcasting. It won't be penalized for using its loudspeakers to broadcast the call to prayer with or without the ordinance, he said.

Mosques in Dearborn and Detroit broadcast on loudspeakers and have done so without seeking permission from those city governments.

"I'm very disappointed it's going to a ballot and further divide the community," Ahmed said.

For Robert Zwolak, organizer of the petition drive, the issue is about noise, not religion. He's confident the ballot issue to overturn the ordinance will easily be approved by Hamtramck voters.

"I personally don't think we need a campaign," he said. "The people are aware of this thing."

But City Council President Karen Majewski said the irony of the petition drive is that it strips city control over the frequency and volume of the call-to-prayer broadcasts.

"The petition actually rescinds whatever control we might have had," Majewski said. "I don't see the logic in that."

Calls to prayer occur five times a day and last about two minutes. Officials at the Al-Islah Islamic Center say when they begin broadcasting, they will not do so in the early morning or late at night so no one will be disturbed.

Muslims have been in Hamtramck for decades, but a wave of immigration from Bangladesh, Yemen, Bosnia and other countries with large Muslim populations have boosted their numbers and political clout in the city.

The city has struggled with its changing demographics and religious and ethnic differences.

"Fear of change and fear of the unknown," are the reasons many residents signed the petitions against the call to prayer, said Councilman Rob Cedar. "I voted for this because I thought it was the right thing to do."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: hamtramck; islam; prayer
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To: ElisabethInCincy

I'm glad I moved south.


21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:41:42 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: ElisabethInCincy
They should allow the public "Call to Prayer" at the same time that Riyadh allows the ringing of the church bells.

Whenever they get a church.

22 posted on 05/26/2004 5:58:39 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: ElisabethInCincy
What has happened to the people in Michigan?????
23 posted on 05/26/2004 6:03:09 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Could be a good time to check your car's emergency equipment...


24 posted on 05/26/2004 6:22:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: Celtic Conservative
"wouldn't it be horrible if somebody at the same time , say played some music REALLY loud . Something like the clashes "rock the casbah", or perhaps some Wagner. Yeah, that would be HORRIBLE. Not that I'm suggesting that , Oh no..... "

I was thinking the same thing myself. If everyone in town that is opposed to this played some really loud and raunchy music, all the same song, all at the same time, they'd drown out their "prayer" calls.

25 posted on 05/26/2004 7:08:40 AM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: ElisabethInCincy
My suggestion:


26 posted on 05/26/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
LOL! I saw that on some islamonutjob website.

The closest equivalent to their "call to prayer" which is really a prayer affirming the arabian moon god is the only god, would be something like the Apostles Creed.

That would be the thing to do: All churches in Hamtramck, and all the non-mussulman neighbors of the catarwallering mosque should play, at the same time and at the same volume as the islamic broadcasts, the Apostles Creed read by the evangelist, bishop, or Cardinal of their choice.

27 posted on 05/26/2004 8:19:07 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Reborn
Yeah, ANY churches in the area should play "Amazing Grace" and/or other old hymns as a "call to faith & prayer" to all Christians in the area five times a day too. I'm serious

I like this.If you're going to play "amazing grace", let it it be the massed pipes of the scottish national orchestra and pipe band.Brilliant and LOUD

CC

28 posted on 05/26/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: raybbr
What has happened to the people in Michigan?????

Most of us are still o.k. Wayne county (Detroit) however is a lost cause.

CC

29 posted on 05/26/2004 12:34:17 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: MarineDad

Publicly scheduled beheadings are nothing. The real Mohamedan sacraments are murder-suicide bombings and flying airliners into major buildings.


30 posted on 05/26/2004 12:54:46 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: 2banana

Add another to the list (although there are lots more):

Sudan where over 2 million Christians and animists have been murdered in the name of the disease called Mohamedanism.


31 posted on 05/26/2004 12:58:58 PM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Reborn
Yeah, ANY churches in the area should play "Amazing Grace" and/or other old hymns as a "call to faith & prayer" to all Christians in the area five times a day too. I'm serious.

Better yet, a reading of the Apostle's Creed, in Arabic AND English, gotta be sensitive, ya know.

32 posted on 05/26/2004 1:08:35 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: CatoRenasci

Ooops, I didn't read down far enough before posting #32.


33 posted on 05/26/2004 1:11:12 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: ElisabethInCincy

These mussees are certainly being provacative, here.


34 posted on 05/26/2004 1:18:34 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Semper Paratus

In order to work in Saudi Arabia,Workers had to sign a contract " Not to wear Crosses or Star oF David medallions".
But it was OK with the Stinko Saudi's that american Soldiers
put their lives on the line for these despicable Heathens.

Our Govt. went along with the charade.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 5:56:26 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Celtic Conservative

My personal preference would be Handels "Messiah."


36 posted on 05/27/2004 5:59:06 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Who in the Muslim community surrounding the pork restaurant, are going to buy the meat? No one. Bankruptcy.


37 posted on 05/27/2004 6:01:29 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Pride the first peer and president of hell.-- Daniel Defoe)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

So what happened, if anything, today (Friday) ?


38 posted on 05/28/2004 5:19:56 PM PDT by 1066AD
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39 posted on 05/28/2004 5:35:03 PM PDT by Consort
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To: All

The silence of the ACLU is deafening.


40 posted on 05/28/2004 5:39:40 PM PDT by nycgal
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