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Ebonics! Weird Names! $500 Shoes! Shrill Bill Cosby and the speech that shocked black America
Village Voice ^ | May 26 - June 1, 2004 | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Posted on 05/25/2004 10:30:56 AM PDT by dead

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To: steve8714

There was a thread a couple of months ago, I forget about what, but there was a kid in there who's last name was Pilot, first name Skyler.

Sky Pilot!

Thanks,Dad.


101 posted on 05/25/2004 1:29:34 PM PDT by Redcoat LI (You Can Trust Me , I'm Not Like The Others.....)
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To: rockrr; OXENinFLA; Taxman; Warrior Nurse
"Ta-Nehisi can really be a fun read sometimes." Well, he/she/it said one thing correctly - he/she/it doesn't get it...."

I just finished reading a book by Ken Hamblin, "Pick a better country", an unassuming colored guy shares his view of America, which I highly recommend. Ken is an great American, living proof that this experiment in FREEDOM called the USA, does WORK. His radio show used to be on here in Jacksonville, Florida till a couple years ago. He called himself 'The Black Avenger'. Many of the things being discussed in this thread are covered in depth in Ken's book.

In one part of the book, he shared an email from a listener who shared that while working in an office on a military base, a young black couple came in to apply for an ID for their daughter. The clerk asked for the daughter's name.

The husband said it a couple times, but the clerk couldn't grasp the name. She asked him to spell it phonetically. He did: SHAA-TEA-AAD. The clerk turned to her computer to input the name and asked the father to if "SHAATEAAAD" was the exact spelling on her birth certificate.

He replied, "No, it's S-H-I-T-H-E-A-D".

The clerk about died. "How could someone allow their daughter to have a name like that, much less allow it to be placed on official documents like birth certificate, driver's license and the like?", she thought. It was beyond her grasp that the father took pride in giving his daughter an 'African' name, even though it appeared very different to non-Afro-centrists. i.e. - regular folk.

I thought maybe this story was an exaggeration, and I shared it with my son, who does collection work via phone. He said he had seen that same first name on a work order and ignored it, thinking it was a joke, and he didn't want to blow the collection opportunity by calling and asking to speak to 'Shithead'!

102 posted on 05/25/2004 1:31:19 PM PDT by Chieftain (To all who serve and support those who serve - thank you!)
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To: Just another Joe

Uhhhh, Joe! Better get another cup of Joe before pressing the post button while the hemoglobin titre is too high in your caffeine stream.

Your post says that the behavioral pattern called "theft" goes away when people achieve the ability to pay attention, master English, and learn to use deoderant?????????????????

May I respectfully call your attention to the increasing hordes of white collar criminals (and I an not referring to Roman Catholic priests in sex scandals) who have excellent attention spans, speak English with flawless skill, and use deoderants daily.

Alas, "To Steal or Not To Steal" that is still the question.

Cosby has it right.


103 posted on 05/25/2004 1:34:45 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: cyborg
Rumors can be a bad thing

They usually are. I was wrong, my apologies to Mr. Cosby

104 posted on 05/25/2004 1:35:03 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: JerseyHighlander
Jersey,

They may pull post #92, but that was intriguing.

105 posted on 05/25/2004 1:35:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dead
Race still matters, but largely the problems of black people today are the problems of poor people. In his last days, Martin Luther King turned his attention to class, a focus Cosby's brethren airbrushed away.

Why is it that the "anti-classists" and "lovers of the poor" on the Left never defend poor folks' Fundamentalist religion?

When the Coz came to Constitution Hall last week, he was one up on his audience. He had no solutions, and unlike his audience, he knew it. And so he fell back on what elitists do best—impose condescending lessons on ethics and etiquette. He fell back on Fat Albert, and a world where poverty can be beaten through sheer force of blithe axiom. Morality becomes the answer when you don't have another one. Maybe we are everything the racists say we are—dumb, fat, and cute, in a really ugly and childish sort of way. But if we could just pay attention in school, stop stealing, learn proper English, and correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right. Well, maybe not all right, but at least we wouldn't make Cosby look so bad.

Oh, so now morality is a white thing. If poor Blacks are so alien to morality, why do most of them belong to quasi-redneck churches?

106 posted on 05/25/2004 1:38:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: conserv13

Well that meeting between him and my sister was a few years ago. Never know what people will do under peer pressure. Someone once said Oprah wouldn't publish her bio with a 'white publishing firm' but I don't know how true that is now.


107 posted on 05/25/2004 1:40:51 PM PDT by cyborg (tit for tat butter for fat hillary is ugly that's a fact)
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To: vanmorrison
But if you were a white person and only hired, contracted, associated with, patronized, white business, what would you be???

I'm sorry, I was not totally clear. That should have ended... what would you be CALLED!

Anyway, point was that you'd instantly be called all sorts of vile libelous names. But if a minority group does the same thing they are 'building community' etc.

108 posted on 05/25/2004 1:41:39 PM PDT by bird4four4
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To: Beelzebubba; js1138

Gotta love the dialectizer!


109 posted on 05/25/2004 1:43:07 PM PDT by bird4four4
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To: Chieftain

http://www.hamblin.com/main.html


110 posted on 05/25/2004 1:43:50 PM PDT by cyborg (tit for tat butter for fat hillary is ugly that's a fact)
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To: dead
"But if we could just pay attention in school, stop stealing, learn proper English, and correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right."

Might there be a glimmer of hope yet?

111 posted on 05/25/2004 1:54:30 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: SkyPilot

Been here a long time, I'm thinking they will pull it. But here's to big tent compassionate conservatism. Snoops a father, and husband until recently, pays taxes, and volunteers by counseling young women with drinking and sexual identification problems. Compassion is his middle name, fo' sho.


duck and cover, please no bannination....


112 posted on 05/25/2004 1:54:33 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: ServesURight
Black humor has always been crass, politically-incorrect, and filled with profanity and sex.

Explain Sinbad, then.


113 posted on 05/25/2004 1:55:25 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: dead

Did it ever occur to the writer that Cosby is successful because of his morality and work ethic?


114 posted on 05/25/2004 1:57:31 PM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: rdb3

Sinbad bump!!


115 posted on 05/25/2004 2:02:35 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: bird4four4
But if you were a white person and only hired, contracted, associated with, patronized, white business, what would you be???

Stupid.

And stupidity has its own reward.

We hire and contract with the best. If we acted based on color instead of quality, we'd get inferior results. Which would cost us money.

116 posted on 05/25/2004 2:25:38 PM PDT by jimt
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To: nubianem

Please see my #116.

Are you saying black people should shun white businesses even if they get the best value there ?

Should my company shun a black service provider even if we know they're the best in town ? After all, we're majority white, although we do have a goodly number of hispanic, asian and black employees.

We pride ourselves on being the best - which has nothing to do with color.

Perhaps you need to listen to a little '60s music - like Sly and the Family Stone.


117 posted on 05/25/2004 2:36:46 PM PDT by jimt
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To: dead
Race still matters, but largely the problems of black people today are the problems of poor people.

Ta-Nehisi is right on this one. The problem is that the "black leadership" has enshrined the problems of poverty and asserted that they are authentically black.

They're not. What matters in the US is economics.

However, if you have encouraged one group of our population, regardless of their income, to think of themselves as poor, or to regard being poor as the ideal definition of their lives, then you're going to have a group who will never ever be able to really participate in the national life.

Most Americans do not want to be poor and do not feel guilty about not wanting to be poor. Black Dem leaders are not poor and do not feel guilty about it - but they encourage the poverty mentality in their black constituencies because it gives them total control over this voter group.

In my town, blacks usually get only one unopposed Dem candidate in majority black districts. And this is a democracy?

118 posted on 05/25/2004 2:45:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Bill Cosby ping.


120 posted on 05/25/2004 3:34:22 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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