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Fabricating a Statistic in the Immigration Debate (Another L.A. Slimes Hit Piece)
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 24, 2004 | Michael Hiltzik

Posted on 05/25/2004 9:12:54 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP

Illegal immigration is one of California's most contentious and frustrating public policy issues, but it does have one positive feature: It continues to be an exciting laboratory for experimentation in the new math.

The latest example comes courtesy of state Sen. Tom McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks), who readers may remember from his having guarded the conservative flank as a candidate in last year's recall election. A few weeks ago Sen. McClintock wrote an editorial column built around the following irony:

"This year, nearly 7,500 qualified California residents — who would otherwise be entering California state universities as incoming freshmen — are likely to be turned away for lack of funds. Meanwhile, approximately 7,500 illegal immigrants will receive heavily subsidized university educations at a cost of between $45 million and $65 million annually at those same universities."

McClintock had introduced a bill to eliminate this so-called subsidy. As it happens, the bill died in the Senate Education Committee. But lest anyone think I am beating a dead horse, in this state the issue of illegal immigration is a horse with a million lives.

To date, Sen. McClintock's essay has been published by the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Daily News of Los Angeles and the Oakland Tribune, among other newspapers around the state. None of them, however, apparently undertook to authenticate the senator's claims before retailing them to their readers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; hiltzik; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; latimes; mcclintock; statistics
For those unwilling and unable to stomach actually going to the Times website, basically the author accuses McClintock of making up figures to push for and stir up anti-immigrant (it's never "illegal" with them) fervor.

Tom's response to this is here:

To: Interested Parties
FM: Tom McClintock
RE: "Fabricating a Statistic in the Immigration Debate" by Michael Hiltzik, Los Angeles Times, May 24, 2004
DT: May 24, 2004

The Los Angeles Times today published a column by Michael Hiltzik questioning the accuracy of statistics I cited in a recent commentary concerning in-state tuition fees for illegal immigrants.

I am enclosing my response.

Letter to Los Angeles Times Business Editor:

May 24, 2004

Mr. Rick Wartzman
Los Angeles Times Business Editor
202 West 1st Street
Los Angeles, CA 90012

Dear Mr. Wartzman:

I am enclosing a copy of a response that I have submitted to a column published by Michael Hiltzik in today's Business section.

I want to add a copy of an e-mail that Steven Boilard of the Legislative Analyst's Office sent to Mr. Hiltzik directly today, confirming what he had told Mr. Hiltzik last week when asked about the accuracy of the information I had released. Specifically, Mr. Boilard writes: "As you recall, I told you that there were no firm numbers out there (due to various data limitations), but that I thought his (McClintock's) numbers were in the ballpark of what we thought was reasonable. I told you that we had developed some rough estimates in response to various requests in the past."

Mr. Hiltzik was in possession of this information when he reported, "But that office (LAO) says it has never produced any such numbers."

I leave it to your judgment whether this meets the ethical standards of the Los Angeles Times.


Tom McClintock

Enc.: Memo from Steve Boilard to Michael Hiltzik, May 24, 2004
Cc: Los Angeles Times Readers' Representative

Letter to the Editor of the Los Angeles Times:

May 24, 2004

Letters to the Editor
Los Angeles Times
202 W. 1st Street
Los Angeles, CA 90012

VIA FACSIMILE: 213-237-7679

Michael Hiltzik's column of May 24 accuses me of fabricating facts when I contended that roughly 7,500 illegal immigrants are receiving subsidized university educations while we are turning away a like number of qualified residents.

Most glaringly, Mr. Hiltzik reported that the Legislative Analyst's Office disavowed "any such numbers." In fact, Mr. Hiltzik was informed by the Legislative Analyst's Office last week that the numbers I cited were within the range of their estimates. Indeed, the statistics I used -- and the column itself -- were submitted to the LAO prior to publication to verify the accuracy of the numbers and the estimate was confirmed by that office. And Mr. Hiltzik knew it.

In my interview with Mr. Hiltzik, I also pointed out that the estimate of 7,500 students is quite consistent with an estimated cost of $63.7 million used by Gov. Gray Davis when he vetoed the first bill extending the in-state tuition subsidy to illegal immigrants in 1999. At least one staff analysis written in 2001 also used this figure - citing proponents of the measure.

I appreciate that Mr. Hiltzik has a political point of view quite different from mine and I respect an honest debate over our differing policy positions and the data that supports them. But accusing me of fabricating statistics - while ignoring facts presented to him -- is unfair, untrue and unworthy of a professional journalist.


Tom McClintock
State Senator, 19th District

1 posted on 05/25/2004 9:12:55 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: StoneColdGOP
The part of this issue that stuns me is the silence of blacks and the ultra-left wingers who claim to be on their side.

In south LA (just go out the front door of USC and head south on Vermont), there are thousands and thousands of young, unemployed black people. They will never get entry level jobs nor the training available while working an entry level job. Most are not dumb, criminal or unmotivated. It is just that illegal criminal Mexican river swimming aliens have invaded our country and taken almost all the low level jobs.

That's the obvoius part. The not so obvious part is that the Mexicans will acclimate nicely and use this illegally gained experience to better position themselves in the next generation. Thus, they will use the education and work experience to leap frog blacks. And, we will have racial problems into the future.

We must stop or control the flow of illegals into our country.

2 posted on 05/25/2004 9:22:47 AM PDT by Tacis (,)
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To: Tacis


3 posted on 05/25/2004 9:26:41 AM PDT by AuntB (Law schools are Americas Madrassas!(aculeus))
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To: StoneColdGOP
whether this meets the ethical standards of the Los Angeles Times

That's like asking whether it's higher than the bottom of the ocean. (And still it fails even that low threshold, doesn't it?)

See, during the run-up to the Davis Dumping recall election last October, the LA Times ran story after story PRAISING McClintock, because the Times sensed that, by doing so, they would hurt Schwarzenegger's poll numbers; the Times believed that Schwarzenegger was The Real Threat. (Of course, the Times also ran plenty of puff pieces on Davis and Bustamante, and bashed hell out of Schwarzenegger.)

But now? Now that McClintock isn't in a position to draw votes FROM Schwarzenegger, and instead is largely allied WITH him (and having Schwarz. speak at McClintock campaign kickoffs)? Now the Times turns on McClintock -- the facts be damned.

Thanks for posting!

4 posted on 05/25/2004 9:46:00 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: StoneColdGOP
the ethical standards of the Los Angeles Times


5 posted on 05/25/2004 10:57:20 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
You must be kidding, right? This is the same L.A Times that came out with those infamous groping stories about Arnold on the eve of the election. Their ethical standards are lower than what's found in a sewer. Its one thing to disagree with Tom McClintock that the illegal alien subsidy is an illegal not to mention unfair preference for foreigners over those who were born here but its hitting below the belt for their journalist to accuse a California State Senator of fabricating statistics to make his case about the foolishness of the said subsidy. The good news is as a result of its blatant partisanship, fewer and fewer people buy much less than read what is printed between the pages of the Left Coast's leading liberal newspaper.
6 posted on 05/25/2004 12:46:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..


7 posted on 05/25/2004 2:13:43 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: StoneColdGOP
What fascinates me is that the LA Times ignores (no surprise) the consequences of illegal immigration in these discussions. Not unexpected but certainly arrogant when the topic is illegal immigration and education in California.

First some facts:

1)Beginning in March 2003 over 50% of the babies born in California were classified as Hispanic.
2) From the turn of the century until WWII Hispanics represented a stable 15% of California's resident population and their birth rates were on a par with the bulk of the state's population.
3) From WWI until the 1970's their were increasingly larger numbers of Mexican migrant laborers in California, principally agricultural laborers but their numbers were not factored into the population since they were substantially adult males who used no public services and returned to their home in Mexico each fall.
4)It was the incorporation of illegal immigrant labor into the services industries in the 1980's that caused these laborers to stay in this country, sneak their families into the country after securing full time employment in the services industries and have children which are questionably US citizens.
5) Birth rates among recent Mexican immigrants is more than twice the rate of the rest of the population.

Based on these few factual premises it is conservatively estimate that approximately one third of the school age population in California today is a consequence of illegal immigration. This translates to tens of thousands of students who are a consequence of illegal immigration, who enter our state supported post secondary educational system in California each year paying resident tuitions.

I wish McClintock had addressed the greater issue but we have to start somewhere if we wish to cripple that beast and drive it from our shores.

8 posted on 05/25/2004 2:59:45 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: gubamyster

alright....that's enough completely seal the border from the gulf to the pacific. not even a goat or a steer gets across. PERIOD!!!!

9 posted on 05/25/2004 5:30:50 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Tacis
The not so obvious part is that the Mexicans will acclimate nicely and use this illegally gained experience to better position themselves in the next generation. Thus, they will use the education and work experience to leap frog blacks. And, we will have racial problems into the future.

It depends on their field of study --- if they study engineering or certain fields, they'll leap frog over all kinds of Americans --- including hispanic Americans who never got the chance to go to college --- but many will go into "hispanic" or "mexican" studies and become professors who never leave the campus to work.

10 posted on 05/25/2004 5:47:59 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: gubamyster


11 posted on 05/26/2004 12:47:44 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades...And panties!)
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