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CA freepers, RED ALERT RED ALERT!!!
CA Assembly

Posted on 05/25/2004 9:09:15 AM PDT by farmfriend

RED ALERT!!! RED ALERT!!!

There are three bills ready for a vote in the Assembly. Two would turn the entire Sierra Nevada mountain range into a conservancy. The other one would give the state total control over water and private property. Unless these bills are stopped, you can give up on CA.

Ab 2600/a>

Ab 1788

AB 2631

RED ALERT, RED ALERT!!!
All bills are to third reading!!!


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1788; ab2600; bills; california; conservancy; government; sierra; sierraconservancy; sierranevada
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To: Carry_Okie

The last thing this state needs is more commitees sucking up money. I thought we all were all supposed to tighten our belts???

If it's that big of a problem, then just use their official propaganda organs, such as the Los Angeles Times, and advise people to dispose of non-native plants.

This is just another way of circumventing private property.

Doesn't the terminator have to sign these bills into law? Should we email, fax, and write to him and explain why we are opposed?


61 posted on 05/25/2004 4:47:58 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I may be writing an editorial about it.

No private landowner in this state is as responsible for the extent of the weed problem we have as is government. CalTrans alone is responsible for millions of acres of starthistle. State bureaucrats mandated erosion control measures by which the starthistle spread further. Banning roadside spraying made that bad situation worse. My county government is responsible for spreading numerous weeds, including poisonous hemlock, into every watershed in the county with mowing and ditch cleaning equipment owned and operated by the DPW.

The State had best clean up its own act or it will be getting sued for damages if they try to regulate and fine landowners into compliance after having infected their property.


62 posted on 05/25/2004 5:12:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national security.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

This is a constitutional issue. By merging counties (thats what the sierra nevada conservation region is, a merging of 20 counties in the state) they are violating the California constitution and the public trust in that their constitutional government exists and will work as chartered.

The merged counties violates the state charter for counties, it violates the principle that the people must be able to elect officials who can produce rules that act their property rights, it gives public money to private organizations-- and the public doesn't get to vote on this or if they have an objection to the politics of the organiztion, they cannot object either. It is extremely unethical for the government to give public money in the form of grants or public money to these environmental groups because they are corrupting the election process when they do. The enviros become a secure voting block for the politician because they are being given billions. Property in the billions is taken off the public tax roles and out of private ownership, so fewer and fewer taxpayers end up supporting the burgeoning monster of the government, and it bankrupts them.

The constitution does not protect the environment it protects property. We must not allow the state to take away property protections because of an ambiguous idea like "environment". Environment is not specific, it is ambiguous and laws based on ambiguous ideas end up prosecuting a lot of people because they can be interpreted however a judge wants to interpret them.Ambiguous laws leave your rights open to removal because of this.

There is so much wrong with this legislation in so many ways where do you start to educate people about it?


63 posted on 05/25/2004 5:15:28 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: TheSpottedOwl; EggsAckley; farmfriend; calcowgirl; Amerigomag; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Tamsey
"Should we email, fax, and write to him and explain why we are opposed?"

Oh! Please DO!!! (one a day, that's all we ask)

This would be especially meaningful from FReepers who supported his election so strongly!!!

Plus, if he would veto, or even "Pocket Veto" them, I would then be able to stop being quite so suspicious of his motives as a "Republican!" It would really help with a degree of "healing!"

I am still so upset with my Assemblyman for submitting one of these bills to try to make points with the Governor when he has been a defender of shrinking government and private property rights in the past!!!

64 posted on 05/25/2004 5:22:31 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Will do it tomorrow. First thing. Email Arnold.

Seriously, I WILL! Just, not tonight. Too late for me.


65 posted on 05/25/2004 6:14:54 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("people who go to the Supreme Court ought to interpret the Constitution as it is interpreted...")
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To: EggsAckley

Thank you! That's wonderful!! Seriously!!!


66 posted on 05/25/2004 8:57:23 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

I also will be emailing the governor and my assemblyman tomorrow.

This state has bigger problems than weeds and imported critters right now...


67 posted on 05/25/2004 9:18:01 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
"This state has bigger problems than weeds and imported critters right now..."

Even more bizzare are the two bills for a stupid "Sierra-Nevada Conservancy!!! You didn't miss those, did you?

Both concepts need to be stopped in their tracks and the Governor needs to understand the Sierra-Nevada region is worth way more to the state's economic recovery than a damn playground for bored flatlanders!!!

68 posted on 05/25/2004 9:44:28 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: farmfriend

Thank you for starting this thread and for all you do to protect rural CA from aggressive government!!!


69 posted on 05/25/2004 9:46:18 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; farmfriend

Darn... I'm late to the party.
I can still write letters, can't I? ;-)


70 posted on 05/26/2004 5:24:07 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
CROSSLINK to other thread:
A Sierra umbrella? - Conservancy proposed to protect mountain range

71 posted on 05/26/2004 6:26:05 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: EggsAckley; Carry_Okie

What is that? Is that out west or back east? Good grief...what a mess!


72 posted on 05/26/2004 8:10:12 PM PDT by forester ( An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester

That infestation would be characteristic of forests in South Carolina or northern Georgia. I've seen it in the former. To see what an Eastern oak can be and then to see a forest covered in that crap would bring you to tears. The forest turns into a series of green mounds, rotting underneath. After it all dies it will probably collapse into a mat. To see it from the air is a recognizeable mottle of uniformly lime green blotches.

IIRC, kudzu was imported by the US Soils Conservation Service from Thailand to reduce erosion, which I am sure it did. The last number I had was 27 million acres of it.


73 posted on 05/26/2004 8:35:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Unbelievable...


74 posted on 05/26/2004 9:05:25 PM PDT by forester ( An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester
Unbelievable...

Not really.

Can you think of any environmental impact on the part of any industry that compares with 27 million acres of kudzu?

How about 24 million acres of starthistle in California alone? I wonder how much broom there is out there...

75 posted on 05/26/2004 9:49:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: forester

About a year ago a book came out that showed photographs of the forests of the Sierra Nevada about 100 years ago versus photographs from the same locations taken very recently.

Do you remember who the author was?


76 posted on 05/26/2004 9:53:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: forester

Got it!

I found the book I was talking about:

Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests: A Photographic Interpretation of Ecological Change Since 1849
Author: George Gruell
Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.70 x 7.28 x 10.26
Publisher: Mountain Press Publishing Company; (June 2003)
ISBN: 0878424466


77 posted on 05/26/2004 10:58:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: SierraWasp

Call up Doug McIntyre on KABC talk radio in Los Angeles from midnight to three or four am with this red alert. 1 800 222 5222


78 posted on 05/28/2004 1:12:34 AM PDT by CalifornianConservative (Two legs good - George Orwell)
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To: GVgirl

ping


79 posted on 05/28/2004 11:33:37 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: DoughtyOne

check em out.


80 posted on 05/29/2004 11:50:30 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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