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Support For Bush, Iraq War Waning
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | May 23, 2004 | Darrel Rowland

Posted on 05/24/2004 6:15:27 AM PDT by chimera

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It's true that this is a local poll, but it's in a battleground region in a battleground state. There's no way anyone can convince me that results like these are good news, or we shouldn't worry, because "there's plenty of time". This is traditionally a moderate to conservative area, and Bush is losing here, by increasingly greater numbers. If he fails to carry the Central and Southern areas of the state by a wide margin, he'll probably lose the state. And if he loses here, he'll have a hard time winning the election.

And no, this is not "wishful thinking". I want Bush to win as much as anyone here, but the numbers at this point don't look too good, at least in this area. Okay, let the flamers and spinners have at it.

1 posted on 05/24/2004 6:15:27 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Dales

Pinging FReeper Dales and other poll watchers.


2 posted on 05/24/2004 6:16:40 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
The poll of 403 randomly selected adults with Columbus telephone exchanges was conducted Monday through Thursday. The margin of sampling error is 4.9 percent

Enough said!

3 posted on 05/24/2004 6:17:58 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: chimera
I was just talking on the phone to my mom, yesterday, who lives in the northern Cincinnati area (specifically Warren County, Ohio) which is very conservative and pro Bush. However, she was telling me that, in talking with others in surrounding areas, that Bush IS definitely losing support in Ohio and that folks are worried.

Pray for Pres. Bush!!

4 posted on 05/24/2004 6:19:10 AM PDT by MasonGal
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To: chimera

adults not likely votrs


5 posted on 05/24/2004 6:23:04 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: dawn53
OK, so you think its a junk poll. Fair enough. Other can decide for themselves.

But I can tell you, living in this area, keeping my ear to the ground listening to what people around me are saying, I have to say the trends aren't too far off from what this poll seems to be indicating. Right or wrong, people are increasingly doubtful about the purpose and outcome of the Iraq situation. That and the economy (mainly seen through the prism of skyrocketing gasoline prices in the area, as well as unemployment fears) are what's dragging Bush down at this point.

6 posted on 05/24/2004 6:23:31 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

Actually, to take in the big picture, it has taken the liberal media 8 1/2 months and tens of thousands of prime time news stories and front page headlines telling how awful it is in Iraq to drop his approval rating by a measley 6 points.


7 posted on 05/24/2004 6:25:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: MasonGal

The numbers in Pennsylvania are much better. Bush lost PA in 2000 and won Ohio. If that were to reverse this time, he would actually gain 1 electoral vote. PA has 1 more EV than does Ohio.

If that were to happen, and all other states vote identically to 2000, Bush would win reelection by about 10 EVs, because re-apportionment from the 2000 Census moved EVs to Bush states, where people relocated since 1990.


8 posted on 05/24/2004 6:25:18 AM PDT by Owen
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To: chimera
So, some people on Ohio cant be pleased?

I wonder how they would like kerry.

9 posted on 05/24/2004 6:25:33 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: justshutupandtakeit

What makes you think a likely voters poll would show anything different?


10 posted on 05/24/2004 6:31:06 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: MasonGal

Here, in the Ohio Valley, working people are turned off by the effort to tamper with overtime pay, the union-busting reputation of the GOP and lowered work opportunities. Unless something dramatically good happens soon, I'd say Bush will have a real hard time carrying Ohio.


11 posted on 05/24/2004 6:31:57 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: HostileTerritory

They always do.


12 posted on 05/24/2004 6:36:52 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Owen
Dales' latest update seems to indicate PA is a tossup at this point, although he has it a slight advantage for Bush based on the balance of polls, some going back a ways.

What concerns me are recent trends, both in Ohio and elsewhere. There's no sense kidding ourselves. The numbers are going against us. I've heard people say thing like "when people get to know Kerry better, they won't like him", but, as each day passes, people get to know Kerry better, and while it hasn't helped him all that much, it doesn't seem to have hurt him, either. When there is dissatisfaction with the incumbent, even if people don't like the alternative all that much, they may be inclined to vote for him simply to get out someone they don't like (for some stupid reason, like they did in '92).

Look at the numbers for "independents" in the central Ohio poll noted in the article. While the absolute numbers aren't large, the percentage numbers are eye-poppers. We're losing that voting bloc big time. If this election comes down to a battle for the "mushy middle" (as some have called it), I think we're facing a tough, uphill battle at this point, with not a lot of time left.

13 posted on 05/24/2004 6:37:00 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

A couple of comments:

Saperstein is good.
Franklin County voted for Gore in 2000.
"Columbus phone exchanges" means either Franklin County or the City of Columbus, this is not Central Ohio in general or Southern Ohio. Franklin and especially Columbus are now Democratic, surburban Columbus, especially Delaware are Republican.
The Dispatch has become the NY Times of Ohio, it is 100% Bush hate all of the time. This is a signifigant thing as the Dispatch was formerly Pravda of the Ohio republican party.
The poll was conducted NYTimes style, run day after day of anti -Bush headlines then poll to see if it worked.


14 posted on 05/24/2004 6:38:44 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: justshutupandtakeit

No, they don't. There were polls earlier this year showing Kerry leading more among LV than RV or adults.

This poll is bad news. Tinkering at the margins won't disguise that. Bush had better hope the situation turns around this summer. Time is all he has.


15 posted on 05/24/2004 6:39:29 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Rudder

And your RINO Governor doesn't help.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 6:39:35 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Holler if you see us!)
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To: chimera

GWB/Rove let the Dems/Libs steal the WoT and War in Iraq.

The Admin has been under constant PR attack. The dems/media blew the prison scandal out of proportion. The dems keep denying WMD, ignoring the recent mustard gas and sarin gas shells. The dems keep ignoring the Saddam-al-Qaeda connections. And the Admin is basically silent.

Brit on FNS yesterday:

Bush has a PR problem. The 'good Iraq report' Wallace did a couple of weeks ago came as a surprise to many people.

[GWB needs to a get a decent PR crew working overtime. Clinton had one to spin and stave off bad news; they even made it to the cameras/mic's before bad news made the airwaves. GWB is losing the PR war.]


17 posted on 05/24/2004 6:39:53 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: HostileTerritory

I don't believe the poll and not because I am wishfully thinking but I don't believe the media has been as successful in developing the prison story outrage to the height it indicates in this story.

In addition, I am sure this is a solid member in the RATmedia second line. Nothing can be relied upon from the RATmedia. Nothing.

But I also believe we should act as though we do believe that Bush is losing.


18 posted on 05/24/2004 6:43:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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Yeah, a poll of one city tells us how the entire county is feeling. Please...


19 posted on 05/24/2004 6:45:01 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: don'tbedenied
OK, well, attack the source if you must, but as I noted above, this isn't too far from what I've been hearing people say. Granted, I make no claim to being any kind of pollster, I just listen to what people say. Right now, I'd have to categorize it as a lot of bad things about Bush. The good news is there's not a lot of chatter for Kerry, either. But I'm concerned voters may turn to him simply to repudiate Bush (kind of like in '72, when a lot of people voted for Nixon who otherwise wouldn't simply to repudiate McGovern).
20 posted on 05/24/2004 6:45:04 AM PDT by chimera
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