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Schools examine lessons of Massachusetts gay marriages
Boston Herald ^ | May 21, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/22/2004 11:57:44 AM PDT by Cracker72

NEWTON, Mass. - Kate Brodoff is a freshman at Newton South High School but lately she's also been a teacher.

The 15-year-old's lesbian parents were plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that led to Monday's legalization of gay marriage in Massachusetts. Her presence lends an insider's perspective to classmates and teachers at Newton South, which like schools across the state is seeing same-sex marriage incorporated into the daily dialogue.

``Some (students) make assumptions. They think that marriage and civil unions are the same,'' Kate said after French class and before she caught a bus to softball practice. ``I try to tell them the actual facts of the case.''

Massachusetts schools have long broken ground in the area of gay rights.

Cambridge Rindge and Latin School became the first public high school in the Northeast to create a gay-straight student alliance more than 15 years ago. Today, there's one in nearly every district. And the state Department of Education has long provided grants to teach acceptance of gay, lesbian, and bisexual students.

``Schools have been way ahead of everyone else,'' said Paul Schlictman, president of the Massachusetts Association of School Committees. ``We've always had gay parents. The only thing that's changed is their legal status.''

Whether textbooks or lesson plans will change to reflect the events of the past week remains to be seen. Until the state's highest court ruled in November that same-sex marriage should be legal, effective Monday, the issue was abstract.

Now, it's a reality. In a history class at Newton South this week, teacher Michael Kozuch raised gay marriage as part of a discussion of the cultural differences between nations.

``My father isn't against gays, but he says marriage is between a man and a woman,'' said one girl, who said she disagrees and has tried unsuccessfully to change her father's mind. ``I got fed up.''

Part of her dad's reasoning is because same-sex couples can't biologically have kids.

``Marriage isn't about kids,'' a boy added. ``It's about two people who love each other.''

Another girl recalled that in ``Romeo and Julius'' - a Shakespeare parody she and other classmates performed recently - the unmarried couple had no hospital visitation rights, one of the benefits married gay couples now enjoy in Massachusetts.

Outside liberal bastions like Newton and Cambridge, however, the discussion is decidedly different.

Michael Barth, a 30-year-old psychology and history teacher at Melrose High School, 10 miles north of Boston, said it's more common for his students to favor traditional marriage. Gay marriage comes up ``all the time'' in lessons on the history of discrimination, he said.

One senior said he'd shoot a gay couple if he saw them holding hands on the street.

``He didn't literally mean it, but it's important not to use words like that,'' Barth said. ``We spent an entire class period just talking about that (comment).''

Barth, who is married with a child, said he tells his students he supports gay marriage. But he said he makes sure to present both sides of any issue.

``There are some very straight-laced teachers who teach right out of the book,'' he said. ``They're just not going to be talking about it.''

For now, gay marriage discussion in the classroom depends on who's teaching.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexualagenda; lessons; marriage; publicschools; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 05/22/2004 11:57:44 AM PDT by Cracker72
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To: Cracker72

They are spawning them early.


2 posted on 05/22/2004 12:10:59 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The "gay-straight alliances" are essentially clubs into which gay teachers channel confused children for recruitment. The kid that resists the teacher's advances is a "homophobe," which is the second-worst thing you can be in Mass. public schools (the worst is a "Christian," always said with the sneer quotes).

In Massachusetts, "education" has in the past included extremely graphic (and enthusiastic) instruction in the mechanics of gay sex. I couldn't describe it more precisely for fear of being cast out of FR. Search the net (and site www.massnews.com) for the term "Fistgate" if you really wanna know -- but you probably really don't wanna know.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


3 posted on 05/22/2004 12:21:22 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Cracker72

``Marriage isn't about kids,'' a boy added. ``It's about two people who love each other.''

This is where the problem starts. An idealized and somewhat selfish vision of marriage. This kind of marriage is only valuable as long as the participants 'love' each other. Children become secondary. Real marriage IS about kids first. It's about commitment despite the problems inevitably encountered.


4 posted on 05/22/2004 12:25:07 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: Cracker72
The 15-year-old's lesbian parents were plaintiffs in the landmark lawsuit that led to Monday's legalization of gay marriage in Massachusetts.

Whoa... a lesbian couple "raising" a lesbian?!?

5 posted on 05/22/2004 12:33:12 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Cracker72
``My father isn't against gays, but he says marriage is between a man and a woman,'' said one girl, who said she disagrees and has tried unsuccessfully to change her father's mind. ``I got fed up.'' Part of her dad's reasoning is because same-sex couples can't biologically have kids. ``Marriage isn't about kids,'' a boy added. ``It's about two people who love each other.''

Ignorant boy, who is being miseducated. Actually marriage's importance to society is *precisely* the raising of children and the continuation of civil society from one generation to the next.

The girl's father is right. But alas, the leftwing agenda in the schools will make it harder to fight these cultural battles.

6 posted on 05/22/2004 12:35:14 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
My son and I were talking about my Grand daughters education, I set up trust for her. My sons opinion, "There ain't no way my kid is going to Haverhill ####$$$ Government Schools the education they would recieve is not worth a bucket of $$$$." "Look at me I didn't learn any thing until I went to the Voke, best school in Haverhill".

My son is a small businessman, does rather well.

7 posted on 05/22/2004 12:47:09 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Gay State!)
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To: little jeremiah
Ping


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

8 posted on 05/22/2004 12:58:40 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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``I try to tell them the actual facts of the case.''


Oh, please. The "facts" are nothing more than a regurgitation of the homosexual indoctrination they're receiving.

Kevin Jennings of GLSEN told Bill O'Reilly that their same sex marriage curriculum was "balanced." It's been documented that's untrue:

The Top 10 Reasons to Protect Students from GLSEN's Deceptive 'Marriage' Curriculum ( excerpt here )

High School Same-Sex Marriage Curriculum Anything But Balanced ( excerpt with additional documentation here )

9 posted on 05/22/2004 1:16:40 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: Cracker72

In the text books (Genesis -the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Now these Books teach a swell how fallen man changed the itnerpretation of Gods Revealed Law -and copied the actions of wicked that did not know God. Man broke covenant--but God -being God did not break covenant.Some men
broke covenant by taking many wives -and God allowed it because of the hardness of their hearts.But Nowhere does the Bible teach such was Gods definition of "marriage"In fact when God sent his Son -the promissed Messiah-to His
chosen people.Jesus taught His Father,and Moses had taught
marriage as the union of one man and one woman. And even after Christ was murdered and raised up again the witness of the Apostle Paul did not change what God had done -did not change what the Christ had taught. MArriage is one man and one woman.Anything else is Fraud--and dilution of the
trademark institution called "marriage."Anything else may
be permitted for a time -for the hardness of our hearts.OR
God may betired of a people whose fist is forever inHis face.A stiffnecked and rebellious people. And CRY going up
from the unrepentant America may bring down a judgment like
has not been seen since Sodom ,and Gomorrah ceased to exist.
And passers by may hear Babylon is Fallen -is fallen-is fallen.And so end th elesson our children ought be taught in school-but we have been a stiffnecked and rebellious people.


10 posted on 05/22/2004 1:40:30 PM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Already read about that a long time back.

You are correct, I didn't really want to know that.


11 posted on 05/22/2004 2:26:34 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Criminal Number 18F; EdReform
Wait until you see next year's sex ed curriculum. They will have to do homo sex on an equal basis with normal sex.

"Johnny, you really don't know if you're gay until you try it. Billy wants you to try it, why don't you? Just take your time. It might be uncomfortable at first, but if you use a good lubricant, it'll feel wonderful in a little while."

Think I'm joking? I wish I was. Massachusetts already has teacher's guides like that.

12 posted on 05/22/2004 3:00:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
BTTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1138324/posts?page=34#34

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1138324/posts?page=52#52

15 posted on 05/22/2004 3:43:17 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: little jeremiah

BTTT


16 posted on 05/22/2004 3:48:20 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
"They are spawning them early."

That's because fags can't reproduce. Homosexuals have to recruit from one generation to the next.

17 posted on 05/22/2004 4:02:01 PM PDT by The Scorpion King
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To: EdReform; *Homosexual Agenda

18 posted on 05/22/2004 4:46:41 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Schools in Massachusetts - A Vision of the Future?

Are we going to let the mentally ill deviants decide what "reality" is? Are we going to roll over so no one calls us "bigots" or "haters"? If we do, we're as guilty as the "gay" activists because we KNOW what's right. If we shut up and just try to live our lives as closeted conservatives, we're as good as "good Germans" who shut the windows when the trains stuffed with Jews went by.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


19 posted on 05/22/2004 6:03:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("Gay Marriage" - a Weapon of Mass. Destruction!)
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To: little jeremiah

Well said

BTTT


20 posted on 05/22/2004 7:43:55 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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