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A political quagmire for Bush
The State ^ | May 16, 04 | Dick Polman

Posted on 05/20/2004 10:06:34 PM PDT by churchillbuff

Four decades separate the war in the jungle from the war in the desert, yet the current president from Texas sounds eerily similar to another president from Texas.

George W. Bush says, "Now is the time, and Iraq is the place." Lyndon B. Johnson said, "The time is now, and the place is Vietnam." Bush says, "Bring 'em on." Johnson said, "Nail the coonskin to the wall."

Bush says, "We are fighting that enemy in Iraq... so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities." Johnson said, "If we quit Vietnam, tomorrow we'll be fighting in Hawaii, and next week we'll have to fight in San Francisco."

(Excerpt) Read more at thestate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq
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To: nopardons
His real knowledge of Churchill seems to be seriously flawed or limited to the cheap version. The other evening he was trying to convince people that Churchill was far too wise to get entangled in a reckless foreign adventure, totally forgetting Winston's ill conceived WWI that ended in utter disaster.

When it was pointed out he quickly disappeared and didn't come back for several days. I guess he's getting his courage back.

41 posted on 05/20/2004 10:45:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

The hook, line and sinker, I see.


42 posted on 05/20/2004 10:45:08 PM PDT by Outraged
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To: churchillbuff

"It was Al Quade that killed 200 in Spain recently - triggering their withdrawal from Iraq. "

Funny how Al Qaeda seems to think that Iraq is far more important and connected to their terrorist agenda than you do.


43 posted on 05/20/2004 10:45:15 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: nopardons
An "independent perspective"? Is that a new code term for ISOLASTIONIST,or ONE WHO WEARS BLINKERS?

How can I be an isolationist when I want Bush to return the focus of the WOT to the folks who did 9-11 -- I want him to redeploy our forces against al Queda and Osama. Remember Osama? Remeber 9-11? Have you really forgotten who did the evil that day? I'm no isolationist, by no means. I want us to fight and kill the people who did 9-11.,

44 posted on 05/20/2004 10:46:18 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: WOSG

Funny how Osama despises Saddam.


45 posted on 05/20/2004 10:47:37 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

So what would you call that sarin gas shell used against our troops the other day?


46 posted on 05/20/2004 10:48:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

This is the Clinton quagmire, war, death and billions of expenses.

If he had done his Presidential duty, he would have taken Bin Laden when offered to him and none of this would have happened. END OF STORY!

Bush is cleaning up after Clinton on both terrorism and the economy.


47 posted on 05/20/2004 10:49:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: churchillbuff

The strategy of stateless Terror was made expressly for people like you!


48 posted on 05/20/2004 10:49:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: churchillbuff
Funny how Osama despises Saddam.

So maybe we should clean Saddam up and let him go?

49 posted on 05/20/2004 10:49:30 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: churchillbuff

You do remember the sarin gas shell...the one that was capable of killing hundreds of people?


50 posted on 05/20/2004 10:49:57 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff
So you are suggesting that we go invade and attack the Philippines and Malaysia and Chechnya and Somalia and so forth and so forth,because they have al Qaeda caps,but we should have ignored Iraq?

Oh,and just WHO,pray tell, has informed you that we are no longer searching out and fighting the al Qaeda in Afghanistan,looking hither and yon for binny/his remains?

51 posted on 05/20/2004 10:50:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: churchillbuff

"Call me a "troll," but what I'm more like is the medieval jester who told the king the hard truths that his fawning courtiers didn't have the courage or sense to voice..."



The jester was a buffoon


52 posted on 05/20/2004 10:50:53 PM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The strategy of stateless Terror was made expressly for people like you!

Like I said, his agenda is larger than just being a gad-fly.

53 posted on 05/20/2004 10:50:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: churchillbuff

al Qaeda are all through Iraq and Saddam was dealing with them and paying homicide bombing terrorists families to kill Jews and us.

Seems we had a reason for just us, then add mass graves, jailed children and of course...THE FRENCH!


54 posted on 05/20/2004 10:51:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: churchillbuff

Osama Mama is (was) only one tentacle of the hydra.


55 posted on 05/20/2004 10:51:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Texasforever
Here's the flim-flam man who peddled the idea that they had WMDs and that occupying a country of mutually hating factions would be a cakewalk. Sorry for my "treasonous" crime of never buying what he was selling:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi Governing Council member Ahmed Chalabi said the raid on his compound Thursday was engineered by Baathists who control the Iraqi police and who are now protected by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Senior coalition law enforcement and justice officials said the raid on the compound of the Iraqi National Congress was part of an investigation of "suspected fraud in a government ministry." But Chalabi -- who is head of finance in the Iraqi Governing Council and leader of the INC -- was not named in the warrant. Iraqi police and U.S. military personnel who conducted the raid took away computers and documents but arrested no one, Chalabi told reporters at a Baghdad news conference. Chalabi, who was previously a close adviser to the Pentagon, said the CPA is dissatisfied with his demands for Iraq's provisional government to be given full control of the Iraqi Army after the June 30 handover and for control of the investigation of fraud in the U.N. oil-for-food program. "When America treats its friends this way, then they are in big trouble," Chalabi said. He called Thursday's raid "the penultimate act of failure of the CPA in Iraq." He said his relationship with the CPA is now "non-existent." When asked about that comment, CPA spokesman Dan Senor only noted that Chalabi "worked closely with us over a number of months." Senor said questions about the raid should be addressed to the Iraqi police. "It was an Iraqi-led investigation, an Iraqi-led raid. It was the result of Iraqi arrest warrants," he said. Chalabi said an emergency meeting of the Iraqi Governing Council has been called for Friday afternoon to respond to the raid. When asked what could be expected, he said, "Wait and see." The coalition officials said three locations were searched under the warrant issued by an Iraqi judge. "Several people" named in the warrant were arrested, but some were not found, they said. The investigation involved "fraud, kidnapping and associated matters," they said. Chalabi's nephew, Salim Chalabi, who serves as Iraq's war crimes prosecutor, said U.S. military personnel and Iraqi police entered his uncle's home with their weapons drawn, threatened Chalabi's security personnel, put a gun to Chalabi's head and threatened him. Iraqi National Congress spokesman Entifadh Qanbar, speaking to CNN from Washington, said the compound was raided "in a very savage way.... Doors were smashed despite the offer to unlock it. Computers were smashed. Even pictures on the wall were smashed. Even his holy Koran, his personal holy Koran was taken as a document."

56 posted on 05/20/2004 10:51:49 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: nopardons

Didn't you know that we can't walk and chew gum at the same time?


57 posted on 05/20/2004 10:52:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There are other tentacles here in this country...doing their best to undermine the war effort.


58 posted on 05/20/2004 10:52:18 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

So should we release Saddam and leave?


59 posted on 05/20/2004 10:53:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: churchillbuff

Just because the media chooses to ignore what's going on outside of Abu Ghraib doesn't mean that nothing's going on. We're still in Afghanistan. We've got irons in the fire all over the world. And if you know where Osama's at, please get the President on the horn. He'd like to know (unless you're so far gone you now agree with Michael Moore that we're keeping him in an cushy apartment somewhere). Otherwise, we'll just keep doing what we're doing and we'll get him eventually.

I'm sorry you're so short-sighted, though. So, you think we should just get the people directly involved in 9/11 and call it a day? Good plan. Then we can just wait for the next 9/11 and go after the ones involved in that.


60 posted on 05/20/2004 10:54:05 PM PDT by Rastus
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