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48 House Catholics send warning to Bishops
MSNBC ^ | May 20, 2004 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 05/20/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 05/20/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope," they wrote. ". . . While that type of paranoid anti-Catholicism seems to be a thing of the past, attempts by Church leaders today to influence votes by the threat of withholding a sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice, which so many of us have worked so hard to overcome."

The three-page letter, dated May 10, was sent to McCarrick because he heads a task force of U.S. bishops that is considering whether, and how, the church should take action against Catholic politicians whose public positions are at odds with Catholic doctrine.

McCarrick's spokesman, Susan Gibbs, said he would not comment on the letter. She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting. "They will be heard. It just hasn't been arranged yet," she said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
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To: NYer

"I don't agree with them on denying Communion to those who in good conscience have come to a different position. . . . "

I suppose as long as it is in 'good conscience,' they can come to any position they want and that will be okay. Maybe they think they need to off granny since she's too hardto take care of and she's senile now and no money to put her in a nursing facility. I could come up with some other scenarios too. Apparently, the old conscience is the ultimate authority for these people. I wonder what they do with the consciences of those people like Manson, Gacy, and so on.


21 posted on 05/20/2004 6:38:33 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: NYer

All Democrats who signed this crap.


22 posted on 05/20/2004 6:38:52 AM PDT by dennisw (Koran teaches: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: NYer

CINOs.


23 posted on 05/20/2004 6:39:12 AM PDT by al_c
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To: NYer

Lightening strike warning!


24 posted on 05/20/2004 6:41:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: NYer

This is simple. Assume The Catholic Church is the PGA Tour. It has rules. If you want to be in the PGA you follow the rules. If you think you can bend or avoid a rule you will be penalized for doing so. If you evade the penalty you will be disqualified. If you continue to to this you will be banned. Don't like that? Start your own golf league.


25 posted on 05/20/2004 6:42:14 AM PDT by TAP ONLINE
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To: All

Translation:

Don't mess with abortionists or we will come after the Church. We will even go as far as spreading anti-Catholic bigotry to our special interest groups. It will be all out war.


26 posted on 05/20/2004 6:42:28 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads” Surat Mohammed:4)
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To: marty60
Amazing that they don't see the seriousness of what they are doing.

(A) Being dam* hypocrites - whining about separationg of church as state, and that they can be good Catholics and vote for abortion which is a terrible sin and evil, and

(B) Try to order representatives of the Church around as though they had some authority over them.

(C) Shades of what led to the trials at Nuremberg:

Noting that the Supreme Court has ruled that women have a constitutional right to choose an abortion, they said that members of Congress "who vote for legislation consistent with that mandate are not acting contrary to our positions as faithful members of the Catholic Church. We also do not believe that it is the obligation of legislators to prohibit all conduct which we may, as a matter of personal morality, believe is wrong."

27 posted on 05/20/2004 6:43:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: NYer

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"


28 posted on 05/20/2004 6:44:14 AM PDT by Redcoat LI
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To: NYer

SUre would like to see the list of signatories, which AP seems to have left out of its article.


29 posted on 05/20/2004 6:44:46 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: vandykelastone; ninenot; GirlShortstop
The Roman Catholic Church must stand on the entire Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, including but certainly not limited to the Bible. Hopefully, it does not come as news that we Catholics have a very broad and deep tradition that includes the theological insights of many of the very finest minds in human history such as Aquinas, Anselm, Jerome, Cyprian, Athanasius and so many, many others.

You seem to mean well. You have your faith. We have ours. Adequately catechized Catholics are not about to abandon the true Faith of all of our fathers, as embodied by the Roman Catholic Church, founded and guaranteed by Jesus Christ Himself for YOPIOS. Luther chose not to continue in the Faith. He has nothing to say to those from whom he fled.

Let us join on those things upon which we agree and agree to leave one another alone on the few matters that separate us.

Good fences still make good neighbors.

30 posted on 05/20/2004 6:45:23 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NYer
Stupak added that he has been surprised by the partisanship of some bishops.

"I've had some threaten not to give Communion to me, even though they don't know my position, just because I'm a Democrat," he said. "I've had cardinals refuse to shake my hand because I'm a Democrat, and then somebody whispers to them that, 'No, no, he's a good guy.' "

This is the mess the bishops are making. They assume that every Catholic Democrat is pro-choice.

Is a Democrat pro-life politician sinning by belonging to a party that clearly supports abortion?

31 posted on 05/20/2004 6:45:42 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: little jeremiah

I couldn't agree more. BUT, the lines are being drawn (by GOD?) and all will be known to HIM.


32 posted on 05/20/2004 6:47:38 AM PDT by marty60
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To: NYer

Leftists are entering the "foot-stamping" stage with the church.


33 posted on 05/20/2004 6:48:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: seamole
The Democrat platform includes abortion, which makes it an objectively evil organization. Anyone who willingly associates with it willingly smears himself with the taint.

You really do want a sympathy vote for the Democrats, don't you?

34 posted on 05/20/2004 6:48:55 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Solson; NYer
Looks like a threat to me. The Dems say to the Catholic Church "back off or we'll villify you in the press and take away your funding."

Exactly. A line in the sand. And many of them are posers anyway, CINO's who politicize Catholicism when they use it as a means to better themselves in some way, usually votes or money, all the while falsely claiming that's what the Church is doing to them.

35 posted on 05/20/2004 6:50:30 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: ZULU

Rosa DeLauro represents the district I lived in when I resided in Connecticut. Trust me. Don't be fooled by the vowel at the end of her name. If Rosa were honest, she would admit her atheism, among other things. She is a former executive director of the notorious Emily's List and as vile a person as you will ever hope not to meet.


36 posted on 05/20/2004 6:52:58 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: marty60

The picture that comes to mind is a big creek flowing down, with a good sized rock in the middle. The water naturally has to get divided to one side or the other.

Of course, water isn't conscious and doesn't decide which way to go, it's just forced by the pressure of the stream.

But the gross immorality and evil which is becoming more and more glaring and sharp is causing people to have to make a choice whether they're for it or against it.

People who think they can just not make a choice and still be on the side of God and going to find themselves in the dark, since it's the default mode. One has to consciously make a choice to be in the light of truth and God to be on that side.

Not choosing is choosing, since the atmosphere of the world is dark.


37 posted on 05/20/2004 6:56:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: NYer
The US Catholic Bishops have long looked the other way about the abortion issue while these CINO (Catholics in Name Only)Democrats have supported their favorite social justice causes. What I think tipped the balance was the gay marriage issue. These CINO Democrats are I'm sure also rabid supporters of gay marriage. The Bishops are now seeing things getting out of hand and are being forced in part by the Vatican to return to orthodoxy.

What's ironic to me is that these same CINO Democrats have always supported abortion and that the Bishops are just now waking up to the fact.

38 posted on 05/20/2004 6:56:41 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Bikers4Bush
Politics is not superior to religion. The sooner the political hacks learn that the better.

Yes.

I can't say what I feel like saying, but this is war. Actually, the war has been on since 1973. It's time to acknowledge that fact and engage the enemy.

39 posted on 05/20/2004 6:56:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Who all signed the letter?

I'm wondering if I need to make my opinion heard at my local PA rep's offices!

40 posted on 05/20/2004 6:59:39 AM PDT by Malacoda
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