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Bo Derek lobbies against horse slaughter
Pantagraph.com ^ | May 19, 2004 | Scott Miller

Posted on 05/19/2004 6:22:07 AM PDT by billorites

SPRINGFIELD -- Horse slaughter opponents applied star power Tuesday when they brought in a Hollywood movie star to lobby their cause. Actress Bo Derek, national spokeswoman for the National Horse Protection Coalition, visited Springfield to present complaints from animal-rights activists. Horses, she said, are companions not cuisine.

"They deserve better. It's not humane. We don't raise them for food. We raise them as pets or for sport," said Derek, famous for portraying the woman of Dudley Moore's dreams in the 1979 hit "10."

The House narrowly rejected banning horse slaughtering in March, but supporters in the Senate have resurrected the campaign to close a controversial horse slaughterhouse in DeKalb.

Opponents of the ban say horse slaughtering should be a choice. Currently, horse owners can sell their horses for slaughter to Cavel International in DeKalb or pay to get rid of them when they die.

In addition, supporters say the Belgium-based company helps DeKalb's economy.

Cavel, which is scheduled to open sometime this week after rebuilding from a fire two years ago, will employ 40 people, add $90,000 in property taxes for local government and pour more than $1 million into the economy, said state Rep. Bob Pritchard, R-Hinckley.

"It will allow them to support and care for their children. It will allow them to be active members of society," said Pritchard, who represents DeKalb. "I feel that as this state is losing jobs by the thousands, ... that we need this source of revenue."

Pritchard didn't think Derek's movie-star status would help efforts to end the practice of slaughtering horses.

"I know a lot of people in the drama and movie industry have tried to impose their values on other people, but I think people across Illinois will make that decision based on the respect for choice," he said.

State Sen. Todd Sieben, R-Geneseo, wasn't star-struck. Derek pulled him aside for a five-minute debate after her press conference.

"I'm still a 'no' vote," Sieben said.

Cavel is one of only three horse slaughterhouses in the country. The company sends the meat to Europe for human consumption.

"I'm not going to judge another culture and what they choose to eat, but I don't know why they have to eat our American horses," Derek said.

If the state institutes the ban, Jim Tucker, a Cavel manager, has said he could challenge the law in court because federal law allows the slaughter of horses for human consumption. Also, he said he could file for an injunction, meaning the law wouldn't apply to his company.

Congress also is considering banning horse slaughter for human consumption. The so-called American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act has 180 co-sponsors while only 218 votes are needed to pass the U.S. House.

House Bill 649 is currently pending in the Illinois Senate and could be called for a vote sometime this week.


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To: TexasCowboy
We don't eat them because we have other animals which our culture accepts.

You are correct, we don't breed and raise horses for food. We breed and raise cattle for that purpose. Americans, OTOH, breed and raise horses for utility, sport or enjoyment. If the French and the Japanese want to eat horse meat, LET THEM RAISE AND SLAUGHTER HORSES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and not encourage excess breeding in the US by providing a market for surplus horses.

As for the town needing the 40 jobs that being horse killers will provide, let them learn to make saddles and tack to put on horses that they don't slaughter.

181 posted on 05/19/2004 1:52:47 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: sushiman
Ya beat me to it ! I live in Kumamoto which is famous for BA-SASHI ! BA-SASHI?

Isn't that Japanese for last place finisher?

182 posted on 05/19/2004 1:54:52 PM PDT by N. Theknow (John Kerry knows how to screw the rich - both his wives are millionaires)
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To: elbucko

Good post.


183 posted on 05/19/2004 1:55:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: Sloth
Isn't that circular reasoning? We mustn't slaughter horses for food because we don't slaughter horses for food?

Then this should be "circular", also

Isn't that circular reasoning? We mustn't slaughter humans for food because we don't slaughter humans for food?

Therefore, if we began to slaughter humans for food, that would permit the slaughter of humans for food.

Your argument fails the logic and morality smell test. There is an inherent immorality to the slaughter and consumption of animals that have been domesticated beyond the point of being "livestock".

184 posted on 05/19/2004 2:07:26 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: BubbaBasher
These are intelligent animals that have served humans and they don't deserve to be treaded this way. This is very different front cattle.

I agree. If anything, there should be a $1,000 bounty on the killers, the drivers and the buyers. $10,000 on the sellers.

185 posted on 05/19/2004 2:12:33 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
Then this should be "circular", also

Isn't that circular reasoning? We mustn't slaughter humans for food because we don't slaughter humans for food?

Yes, that is also circular. The morality of cannibalism is not influenced by our acceptance or rejection of it.

Your argument fails the logic and morality smell test. There is an inherent immorality to the slaughter and consumption of animals that have been domesticated beyond the point of being "livestock".

I would say the burden of proof is on you to prove that. I believe in an objective morality unchanged by human custom.

186 posted on 05/19/2004 2:16:59 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: MissTargets
Horses that are suffering from incurable injuries, or are a serious threat to humans,...

Should be humanely "put down" (euthanized) and either buried or disposed of to a rendering plant. Slaughter for ambulatory, domesticated horses, that have known the saddle or the harness is immoral and inhumane.

187 posted on 05/19/2004 2:18:31 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: HairOfTheDog
" I think it is fundamentally unfair to send them to slaughter because they have been broken in our service.

I agree with the thought above and your entire post. Those who would cavalierly dispose of an animal, esp. a horse that had served them well, has no soul. Loyalty, even to an animal, is a sign of morality. Moral is "conservative".

188 posted on 05/19/2004 2:26:25 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko

I agree. Been watching you work your way through the thread! - there is more to come and you are saying much of it more succinctly than I did.


189 posted on 05/19/2004 2:30:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: TexasCowboy
I didn't fall in love with them [horses]anymore than I fell in love with my tractor.

Your tractor never got you out of a late spring snow storm in the High Sierras, like my horse, "Barney" did when I was 16.

190 posted on 05/19/2004 2:34:29 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: AnalogReigns
My moral decisions are anchored in scripture--which clearly gives permission (not command) to eat anything you want.........That's what's so great about having a bible--as we have THE most universal values there are--those of the Creator. Values which are a lot more reasonable than Bo Derek's.

Therefore, the dietary restrictions on swine in the Bible are not commands, but are suggestions? Do you eat pork?

191 posted on 05/19/2004 2:41:16 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: BubbaBasher
And I did fall in love with my tractor. ;-)

Good for you...........;^)

192 posted on 05/19/2004 2:44:01 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: HairOfTheDog; CindyDawg
I know, sometimes you have to get tough with horses, (especially stallions), but Texascowboy's methods are just a waste, (especially cutting up the mouth ). He puts his kids are on horses that are " too much horse" for them . That's why they're getting hurt.

I've worked around hundreds of thoroughbred racehorses, 2 year olds, intact stallions, high on grain , vitamins, and only get out of their stalls for an hour a day to train on the track. Amazingly, the majority are docile and kind.

Of course there are some that are mean. I can only think of 3 , (out of all the ones I saw) ) that would fit the description of mean.(" Well one of the 3 might actually be called evil-he didn't just bite, he'd try to savage. He'd try to slam you into the wall. He'd not only rear up, he'd rear up and aim at you and try to come down on your head, or rear up and spin at the same time trying to drop you. The trainer had him gelded. It didn't make one bit of differece. He was just as mean after-LOL." ) But all in all alot of the bad behavior is really just the horse feeling good. That doesn't mean put up with it though.

I saw grooms come in to work with the machismo attitude. They'd do the "beat the crap out of em" routine. More often than not , all that happened (especially with the stallions) is that a war would ensue where the horse would go after the groom every chance he got, and the groom would take the worst of it- bruises, bites, kicks, stepped on toes. (to be fair, I had all these things too, -bruises, bites ,kicks and stepped on toes, but it was once in a while. With the macho guys, it happened to them just about everyday.

The main problem was that the groom was afraid, and the horse knew it. As it was explained to me by an old timer at the track "Horses can smell fear on you. They can hear you breathing. They can hear your heart beating in your chest (they have sense of smell and hearing similar to a dog's). You have to stay calm around them. But never, for a second, lose respect for the fact that they can kill you.

I just believe that you can't use all stick and no carrot with horses. You have to use common sense.

193 posted on 05/19/2004 2:48:47 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never under estimate the treachery of the democrat party-Save USA vote a dem out of office)
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To: billorites
Quite a bit of horse meat is consumed in Japan where they enjoy it raw.

Yes. And it is pretty tasty.

Raw horse meat is one of my favorite snacks in the beer hall.

194 posted on 05/19/2004 2:49:10 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Once you have a horse, there is no way you could ever do ANYTHING detrimental to it.
I grew up with horses, and I have two now.
Horses become like your children. Would you let your kid be killed and eaten?


"Here are these exquisite, immensely powerful creatures, who willingly give us their labor in return for our stewardship. They have attended us throughout history, bearing us across frontiers and into battle, pulling our plows, thrilling us in sport, warming us with their beauty. We owe them more than we can ever repay. To send these trusting creatures to slaughter is beneath their dignity and ours."

- Laura Hillenbrand, author of Seabiscuit


195 posted on 05/19/2004 2:51:57 PM PDT by Ramonan (Compare the Circumstances)
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To: TexasCowboy
I remember that movie, and that line is dead-on.

It was only a movie with dialog written by some screenwriter from New York City and who had never been on a horse in his life.

I have worked on cattle ranches, and good horses, that have worked well are retired, not sold to the killers. They are rarely, if ever, sold by a well run outfit. That fact, in itself, should tell you something. The old horse teaches the next generation to ride and is usually shot by its owner at the end of its days and the carcass buried on the ranch or in the mountains.

196 posted on 05/19/2004 2:56:04 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: tortoise
"Raw horse meat is one of my favorite snacks in the beer hall."

Your a single guy, right?

197 posted on 05/19/2004 3:04:06 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: TexasCowboy
....tying him to the gate post and beating him with a cedar post until he was flat on the ground, or sawing on that proud cut gelding's mouth with a breaking bit until blood covered his chest and he couldn't eat for three days.

Your' re rather proud of that, aren't you, big man. I'd like to see you do the same thing to me. And this ain't' "flame", I'm callin' your bluff.

198 posted on 05/19/2004 3:07:19 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: CindyDawg; TexasCowboy
I hope he kicked you good when he got up and bit your hand:') (just kidding, kind of)

I hope he did too. And I'm not kidding. Any man who calls himself a horseman that has had to resort to such means of starting a horse, as this Texican has admitted to, has no business around horses.

(BTW, I think he got it all from books that he read)

199 posted on 05/19/2004 3:15:57 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: HairOfTheDog
Carve your post in stone and then break it over the Texican's head.
Excellent retorts.
200 posted on 05/19/2004 3:25:10 PM PDT by elbucko
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