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Alan Keyes speech in defense of marriage (Boston, MA)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | May 14, 2004 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 05/17/2004 4:20:41 PM PDT by Gelato

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To: EternalVigilance
Dobson was good, as usual. Colmes tried to catch him by asking whether marriage leads to stability and fidelity, but Dr. Dobson didn't take the bait. (A yes answer would allow Colmes to say, "See, if marriage improves relationships, then it should be available to same-sex couples.") Instead, Dr. Dobson said that yes, it stabilizes heterosexual relationships, but that when it is extended to homosexuals, marriage, itself, crumbles.

He pointed out that the marriage has drastically declined in Scandinavian countries that have legalized gay marriage.

61 posted on 05/17/2004 7:20:26 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

Meant to say: the marriage RATE has drastically declined in Scandinavian countries ....


62 posted on 05/17/2004 7:22:17 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: EternalVigilance

Keyes is an ORATOR. And the best I've heard by far.


63 posted on 05/17/2004 7:24:16 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: EternalVigilance
His main goal, which I strongly share, is always to focus people's attention on THE foundational principles of our republic:
the fact that our rights to life, liberty and private property come from the Creator, not man, and therefore can never rightfully be taken from us by mere men.
23 -EV-

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Keyes message would be much more effective if he admitted that regardless of where our rights to life, liberty and private property come from, no group of men who advocate 'legislating morality', can ever rightfully take them from us.

Keyes comes very close to calling for majority rule in his speeches. - He should say it isn't so, -- but he never does.
64 posted on 05/17/2004 7:26:50 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: Mathlete

The Road to Destruction

To despise the Creator
Begins the journey
The road to destruction
For the individual
Or for a nation

The road to the gulag
The extermination camp
The guillotine
The abortuary
All begin in the same place

To despise the Creator
Is soon to despise people
Men, women, children
Babes in the womb
Made in His Image

And in the train
Of the Destroyer
Liberty evaporates
Like a summer dream
Enveloped in darkness

EV


65 posted on 05/17/2004 7:27:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: tpaine
...no group of men who advocate 'legislating morality', can ever rightfully take them from us.

That doesn't make any sense.

Keyes comes very close to calling for majority rule in his speeches. - He should say it isn't so, -- but he never does.

Again, huh?

66 posted on 05/17/2004 7:28:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Times change, but the immutable laws of God do not.

Here's a similar argument: The immutable laws of nature do not change. People used to believe that the Earth was flat and heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones. But we don't believe that today. Is this a contradiction? Did the immutable laws of nature change merely because our understanding of them changed? As for the God argument, how then do you explain Vatican II? How about Protestantism? Mormanism? What about the heliocentric view of the universe of Galileo and Copernicus? There's a lot of Muslims out there that think we've gone too far. Is that an argument? No! I see something that you wrote -- not God.

67 posted on 05/17/2004 7:29:20 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: Gelato

Just finished reading the whole speech, most of it out loud to someone else. Incredible mind that man has.

He makes several very valuable points that I haven't seen all together in one place. He makes it ultra clear why marriage IS INDEED about procreation and to deny that is to detroy the family and therefore society.

He makes it clear that hedonism is the wrong, not just homosexuality. And he descibes exactly why and how this is so.

He also describes how this judicial usurping of power will destroy the country unless it is checked.

I hope many people read or hear this speech. Every word is valuable. If people think it's too long, that just means that their attention spans are too short and maybe they should watch less TV.


68 posted on 05/17/2004 7:29:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: Mathlete

Try arguing the points made in Keyes' speech. See if you can refute them.


69 posted on 05/17/2004 7:31:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: Gelato

Family life has without a doubt taken a hit in those countries...and the kids are the losers.

The reverberations from that will echo down the generations.


70 posted on 05/17/2004 7:31:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Gelato

This country, with the help of the left, is getting sicker and sicker as each day passes........ Lord help us!!!!!


71 posted on 05/17/2004 7:32:09 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: supercat
I think one of the major reasons for the decay of families in this country is that people are losing sight of what marriage is really about. To accept 'same sex marriages' is to abandon any and all concept of why marriage exists in the first place.

You're right, of course. I think selfishness has a lot to do with it. As Dr. Keyes says, a selfish, hedonistic approach to relationships is incompatible with marriage.

72 posted on 05/17/2004 7:32:36 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Mathlete
No! I see something that you wrote -- not God.

Perhaps that's your problem?

73 posted on 05/17/2004 7:33:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Mathlete
People used to believe that the Earth was flat and heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones.

Reminds me of the ignoramuses who think homosexual conduct has no negative consequences.

74 posted on 05/17/2004 7:35:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Mathlete

You make this statement as though it were objective reality, whereas it is merely your factfree opinion:

"Times change, and old lines of questions become obsolete."

Times change? What does that mean - north isn't north anymore, water isn't wet anymore, what exactly do you mean?

Old lines of questions - we can't ask people who their fathers are anymore? Is it illegal? Doesn't matter? LINES of questions? Your statement makes no sense.

Become obselete? How? Why? In what way? Something is obslelete if it is replaced by something else which renders it useless or broken. What has become useless, and what has replaced it?


75 posted on 05/17/2004 7:36:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: EternalVigilance

BUMP to your post


76 posted on 05/17/2004 7:38:32 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: EternalVigilance
To despise the Creator...

Very eloquent. But I would argue that The road to the gulag, The extermination camp, The guillotine, The abortuary, All begin in the same place -- all began with one group of people in power denying their country's rights to another group of people. Perhaps we are "despising the Creator" by shutting out gay people, using the same Christian poetic rhetoric that shut out women from voting and blacks from owning property.
 

77 posted on 05/17/2004 7:38:47 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: EternalVigilance

My words are in common english.

It's sad that you can't understand them.


78 posted on 05/17/2004 7:39:01 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Perhaps that's your problem?

Perhaps it's not?

79 posted on 05/17/2004 7:44:41 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: tpaine

Well, explain yourself then.

Maybe my comprehension skills are lacking.


80 posted on 05/17/2004 7:50:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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