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Alan Keyes speech in defense of marriage (Boston, MA)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | May 14, 2004 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 05/17/2004 4:20:41 PM PDT by Gelato

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To: Gelato

Great synopsis, my friend.


41 posted on 05/17/2004 6:25:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: supercat
A legitimate child is one with a mother and father who were married when the child was born.

OK. I assume that this is your definition of "legitimate", unless you are referring to something more institutional. Male and Female are phenotypes -- a requirement for physical reproduction; i.e. hardware. There's more to it these days. There's culture; i.e. software. I claim that the "American" spirit is more software based than "who" is actually practicing it. In this case, it isn't about a male and female parent raising children that is so significant, but rather about a masculine parent and a feminine parent raising a child that determines quality. You talk about "legitimate" as a tag that gets stamped on a child as though the label itself was significant. That is the basis of a caste system -- something that America is supposed to abhor. I'm more concerned with what the child actually becomes when they mature. Does she become a brilliant scientist, a military hero? Or does she become a drug addict, or criminal. Two masculine parents, or two feminine parents (regardless of their actual sex) tend to raise children far differently than by parents who specialize oppositely. I would take a bet that one day, we will find that a gay couple, where one is masculine and one is feminine, will statistically raise more successful children than a straight couple each sharing the same gender. Consider today what happens to children when both parents are working in the masculine corporate world (for the sheer sake of income). What do we know today about how children turn out when raised by a single parent (a highly skewed gender spectrum)?

42 posted on 05/17/2004 6:31:07 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: don-o
Since you want Keyes elected to something, keep encouraging it, and maybe he'll hear ya.

I wouldn't mind seeing that, myself, but I think Keyes is already making a difference on the national scene. Being the spokesperson for one state probably wouldn't give him any more national exposure, but who knows.

What do you think of the speech?

43 posted on 05/17/2004 6:33:11 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: EternalVigilance

Check out James Dobson right now on Hannity & Colmes


44 posted on 05/17/2004 6:33:40 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Just as momentum has been building against Roe vs. Wade, the gay marriage issue will likely awaken decent Americans to get more involved in the political process.

Excuse me. I must have been snoozing.

Momemt is building?

Where, besides the fund raiaing letters?

Abortion on demand is way low on sheeple concerns.

45 posted on 05/17/2004 6:34:38 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping + Speech By Alan Keyes For You Alan Keyes Fans.

I haven't read it yet, doing my job getting it out to you first.

I saw Keyes several years ago and really liked him, brilliant man. I hope he gets some kind of elected office or position - he would be a great public servant IMHO.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


46 posted on 05/17/2004 6:37:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: Gelato

No morality no Country.


47 posted on 05/17/2004 6:37:56 PM PDT by JamesA ( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
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To: Mathlete

You said:

"Two masculine parents, or two feminine parents (regardless of their actual sex) tend to raise children far differently than by parents who specialize oppositely. I would take a bet that one day, we will find that a gay couple, where one is masculine and one is feminine, will statistically raise more successful children than a straight couple each sharing the same gender."

Are you really not aware that the above - and the rest of your post(s) is unintelligible gibberish?

I think you should learn a trade such as stone masonry. It would help focus your concentration on the real world.


48 posted on 05/17/2004 6:47:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Moral decay leads to anarchy which leads to totalitarianism.)
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To: don-o
Absolutely, the pro-life movement is building! Polls--flawed though they may be--have indicated Americans are more and more likely to identify themselves as pro-life.

Remember in early- to mid-1990s, when there was a push to remove the anti-abortion plank from the Republican Party platform? That would be incomprehensible now.

Remember the 1996 GOP candidates for president? Most of them were either weak on abortion or even pro-choice. By contrast, in the year 2000, the GOP candidates almost stumbled over each other to identify themselves as pro-life.

Both pro-choice and pro-life groups say the current administration has set the pro-choice agenda back quite a bit. For the first time, many states have adopted laws that make killing the fetus a crime, have installed parental consent laws, AND OUTLAWED PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION. Bush signed the ban nationally.

So, yes, the pro-life movement is building and growing!

49 posted on 05/17/2004 6:47:42 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
 Homosexuality is based upon unrestrained, unaccountable, selfish pleasure
 
Ok, self gratification, with another person or by yourself, it all amounts to masturbation, so lets take this to  Massachusetts , Why can't these young boys I mentioned earlier, Marry their hand? It is not still same sex marriage?

50 posted on 05/17/2004 6:54:49 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: little jeremiah
Are you really not aware that the above - and the rest of your post(s) is unintelligible gibberish?

That's ok. I get the same type of rebuttals from the extreme left -- no counter facts, no better theory -- merely phrases like "unintelligible gibberish".

51 posted on 05/17/2004 6:55:31 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: Mathlete

A child whose parents are divorced or whose father has died will have no problem answering the question "Who is your father?" But what should a child of two "mothers" answer?


52 posted on 05/17/2004 6:56:04 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Mathlete
Homosexuality is based upon unrestrained, unaccountable, selfish pleasure
 
Ok, self gratification, with another person or by yourself, it all amounts to masturbation, so lets take this to  Massachusetts , Why can't these young boys I mentioned earlier, Marry their hand? It is not still same sex marriage?

53 posted on 05/17/2004 6:57:27 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: TexasTransplant

Ref post #6. I miss Dr. Keyes. I was hoping he was going to be our 2000 president. The man is brilliant.


54 posted on 05/17/2004 6:58:45 PM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gelato
I wonder what fraction of the marriages that end in divorce were entered into with the purpose--not forced by circumstances--of joining two families and starting a third?

That is, after all, the primary purpose of marriage; while not every marriage is required to seek that goal, I think one of the major reasons for the decay of families in this country is that people are losing sight of what marriage is really about. To accept 'same sex marriages' is to abandon any and all concept of why marriage exists in the first place.

55 posted on 05/17/2004 7:00:02 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Gelato

Jim Dobson is one of the conservative leaders in America that I continue to admire the most.

I don't have access to a television...I'm working on a primary campaign that ends a week from tomorrow...so you're going to have to tell me here what his remarks were.

I have no doubt that they will be cogent and powerful, though.

The man carries great moral authority.

May God continue to bless him.


56 posted on 05/17/2004 7:02:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: supercat
A child whose parents are divorced or whose father has died will have no problem answering the question "Who is your father?" But what should a child of two "mothers" answer?

It used to be common place to ask a black person in America, "who is your master?", or to assume a doctor must be a man. Times change, and old lines of questions become obsolete.

57 posted on 05/17/2004 7:05:18 PM PDT by Mathlete
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To: TexasTransplant

Well, I don't know if the liberals would advocate same-self marriage, but I wouldn't put it behind them.


58 posted on 05/17/2004 7:08:48 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Mathlete
Times change, and old lines of questions become obsolete.

Times change, but the immutable laws of God do not.

To put aside the Creator is to soon put aside any care for those who are made in His image.

That's the historic pattern:

Despise God, despise innocent human life, despise liberty.

The road to the gulag, the concentration camp or the guillotine all begin in the same place.

59 posted on 05/17/2004 7:12:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Mathlete

...and, may I add, the abortuary.


60 posted on 05/17/2004 7:14:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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