Posted on 05/17/2004 7:06:39 AM PDT by qam1
And like you, I do believe that one must preach the gospel - the fire and the brimstone - a sin is a sin and will be punished - someone must pay the price. To pretend that sin does not exist will not make it disappear, nor will it be addressed by spreading a watered down version of the gospel.
"Much to learn you still have."
"Homeboy" means someone from your nieghborhood, someone you trust, someone you know.
As in, "I know Christ".
But it's really bad to say that because it's not exactly the words someone else thinks you should use.
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I think I saw my first 'Jesus is my homeboy' t-shirt yesterday. I couldn't quite make out all of the last word, but now I guess that is what it was. Thanks for the definition. One of my kids came in about the time I read that, and she pretty much concurred.
Maybe it's not a bad thing. It looks like Jesus and the disciples met people 'where they were':
1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/3/1.html [notice even Peter didn't 'get it' at first]
1Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/3/2.html
1Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/3/7.html So it would appear that all those who say we plant the seed, and God will do the rest, are correct. Hmmm, come to think of it, a garden is usually filled with a variety of plants with a variety of needs.
I rather like the t-shirt slogan - it implies a real intimacy with Christ. A lot of today's kids have been abandoned on the altar of parental selfishness, and there is a real need for love and friendship to take the place of that which is not found at home. [What the devil intends for evil, God will turn to His glory.]
Look at the people in Samaria, when the woman at the well dropped her jar to run and tell them the Good News. Those who were 'not my people' were more inclined to jump at the chance for His offer of salvation, then the nation of Israel. And like someone else said, we are called to be His priesthood, and if we can't do it, He will raise up someone who can. Pretty amazing. Mabe He's raising up a new Priesthood. Maybe they are taking seriously His offer to be His FRIEND:
Jhn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/15/15.html
Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/15/16.html
As I remember it, the original disciples were rather a motley group of characters. 'God will use the 'foolish' things of this world to confound the wise.' He works in mysterious ways. I tend to believe this is His doing, particulary since so many of the churches have matured to the point of becoming dead. There's nothing to prevent the elder generation to reprove and set straight when doctrines get off track, however.
Maybe all is working toward fulfilment of the new covenant, when 'they will no longer say know the LORD, know the LORD, for they will ALL know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.'
you said " As in, "I know Christ". "
I ran across this passage this morning, that I had been meaning to look up anyway. It seems to fit:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/ kjv/Jer/Jer009.html#23
Jer 9:23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise [man] glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty [man] glory in his might, let not the rich [man] glory in his riches:
Jer 9:24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I [am] the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I delight, saith the LORD. *** http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/9/24.html
Homeboy means one of the gang, equal member, from the same culture.
Personally I think its borders on blasphamy. Jesus is not just "one of the gang". Nor is He equal with us. He is God.
I tried to equate this with the '70s term "Jesus Freak" but I could not. In that case "Jesus Freak" was an identification with Christ. In this case, Jesus is just one of the gang roaming around which is far from true.
And we are called to that intimacy as far as I can tell.
"Abba" means father,,but it is more accurately translated as "daddy".
All that really matters however, is what it means to the people who wear the shirt.
The spirit won't be needing our interpretation of what it means.
Satire of the Living God is blasphemy.
Can you imagine Madonna wearing a "Jesus Freak" shirt? Not on your life. But I've already seen photos of her wearing a "...Homeboy" shirt.
See, that's not accurate at all. If a person is going to print something about Jesus on his shirt, and then walk around in public for the public to read it.... it matters what the public thinks it means. It does matter what message is conveyed.
And that is exactly what's wrong with the church (and our culture) today. It's not so much what others may think but it's what we think. Aren't we meant as a testimony to others?
The people who read the shirt know what it means to them.
To you it means blasphemy. To them it means salvation. But hey, they are saved or damned already so it doesn't matter.
You can argue all day.... but the bottom line is that if you want to print something about God on your shirt, or your car, or carry a sign in public... it does matter how the public preceives it. It does matter what you say about God. And I can't believe you would think otherwise.
So says you. God doesn't need you or me to tell him the contents of a person's heart.
Aren't we meant as a testimony to others?
These people are making their testimony in a way that they think will be understood by the people they are testifying to.
All we can do is what we think will be pleasing to God. If that is done in good concience the spirit will sort it out.
So how does Madonna wearing one of the shirts fit in exactly?
You just have distorted what I said. For about the tenth time. And you accuse me?
I told you earlier that I thought you had become disingenious and that I prefered to end our discussion then. That we would just disagree.
But you persist. So just go your own way and if you think I'm wrong, pray for me.
But then again, don't bother, I'm already doomed or saved no matter what I think or do. Right?
Let's just post to others, you and I are not going to change our minds based on this conversation.
The Bible reveals a great deal about the character of God, and about how He wants us to worship Him. Too often we try to define God in our own image. We redefine his forgiveness to mean that sin does not matter, or that holiness is not important to Him anymore. It is going to get increasingly difficult to reach a lost world with the gospel of Jesus Christ when the "church" itself is acting pretty lost.
After watching a beautiful yet graphic portrayal of the high price Jesus paid for our sins, how can we possibly miss understanding how passionate He is about holiness?
So how does Madonna wearing one of the shirts fit in exactly?
Jesus will come to judge the quick and the dead. He will know her heart. Your opinion on it will remain just that, your opinion.
My last post to you. Good luck.
I saw Bill Clinton carrying a bible every Sunday too, but it didn't change my life. Or probably his.
His was either an act of honest worship or blasphemy. You and I can only guess at his heart. And it will be irrelevant.
Jesus will sort it out.
Alright.....here it is......the UMC, ELCA, PCUSA, Episcopal Church.
Basically these are the biggies.....mainline means biggest of the Protestant denominations (they tend to be the most liberal).
There are more conservative branches of these churches that are not considered mainline, such as the Presbyterian Church in America or the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod).
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