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2004 Crop Circle Season Live Thread
Crop Circle News ^ | Sunday, May 16, 2004

Posted on 05/16/2004 10:10:33 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

First Significant UK formation of 2004 spotted

On May 3, near Deacon Hill in Bedfordshire, UK, the first significant formation of the year has been spotted in a flowering field of oil seed rape.

The formation is similar in design to the 2003 Locust Grove, Ohio formation that appeared close to the Serpent Mound earthwork.

Although it has been raining rather steadily, since being spotted, the formation has been inspected, and there have been some details that have emerged which may indicate the formation may be not have been a human mechanically-made one.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arkansas; art; circle; circles; crop; cropcircle; cropcircles; formation; italy; notalivethread; poland; season; uk
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To: null and void
Or... in south Los Angeles and then they'd be...

Crip circles.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 11:01:29 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: G.Mason
I love crop circles. We even had one where I live about 4 or 5 years ago. Just a mini one -- but no logical explanation.

I'm positive some are made by humans, but are THAT many people in the world designing crop circles all over the globe?

42 posted on 05/16/2004 11:02:54 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: raybbr

*groan*


43 posted on 05/16/2004 11:05:43 AM PDT by null and void
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To: raybbr

Then they wouldn't be called "crop circles" would they?

These "Artists" call them "crop circles" technically they amount to Vandleism (tagging a farmers field).


44 posted on 05/16/2004 11:05:45 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: varina davis

Yes


45 posted on 05/16/2004 11:06:52 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: Long Cut
With basic mathematics, rope, and wood boards.

I have heard that convincingly debunked as impossible with the larger more complicated designs.

The makers come up with the designs; some have meaning (some have been used as advertisements!)

I have never seen a pic of one used as an advertisement or of any known symbol from human history. I'll check the site you gave address to.

Since it's not a major crime, there is no reason to "rat out" anyone.

I didn't mean that in the sense that a crime was committed but I would in fact think that farmers don't appreciate it and it would be a crime to destroy their property. I used the term only as a manner of speaking since their origins have created so much interest. One would think the creators would take credit, give interviews, write articles and so on and on ...

46 posted on 05/16/2004 11:07:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: null and void
I couldn't help myself. :^}
47 posted on 05/16/2004 11:08:32 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: TigersEye
"I didn't mean that in the sense that a crime was committed but I would in fact think that farmers don't appreciate it and it would be a crime to destroy their property. I used the term only as a manner of speaking since their origins have created so much interest. One would think the creators would take credit, give interviews, write articles and so on and on ..."

Some farmers actually agree to let them do it. As far as the debunking goes, the makers have actually filmed themselves doing it, so you'll have to check those debunkers. You might be dealing with some Art Bell types there.

The makers HAVE given interviews, taken credit, and have written articles. Start at with Circlemakers, and go from there.

48 posted on 05/16/2004 11:12:56 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I'd love to know how these get made in the hundreds all over the world.


49 posted on 05/16/2004 11:14:12 AM PDT by TheLurkerX ("Of course liberals always seem p*ssed off. You would be too if you wore 2 left shoes.")
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To: ovrtaxt
A few guys with some rope, stakes and boards. A well planned agenda. A basic knowledge of geometry and surveying. Some flashlights.

It would be extremely difficult to plot out a complicated design amidst crops and then execute the flattening of the crops accurately without setting up transits, running guide lines, pulling lines with expanding or diminishing arcs as in a French Curve (as some CS designs have) and leaving a huge mess of plants disturbed and ground trodden outside the designe itself. That sort of thing may be evident in some CS's but not in many that I have looked at. (in pics. never saw one firsthand) And all this is accomplished without being noticed, spending hours with flashlights in a field.

50 posted on 05/16/2004 11:14:48 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Long Cut; dennisw; dighton; aculeus
"Has any man ever been caught in the act of making one?"
Yes. They've even been filmed doing it.

"How are they made?"
With basic mathematics, rope, and wood boards.

Etc.

Spoiler! :-/


51 posted on 05/16/2004 11:14:49 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: G.Mason
Whatever happened to critical thinking?"

Whatever happened to Google?

Whatever happened to intelligent response?

52 posted on 05/16/2004 11:17:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

There are a variety of tricks crop-circle makers use that are really simple, but produce results that can seem freaky. For example, bent but unbroken stalks can be made by attatching a board to your foot, and pushing the stalks sideways, then down.

Here is a bit on some MIT guys who make them. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/2002/oct09/crops.html


53 posted on 05/16/2004 11:18:19 AM PDT by DreadCthulhu
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To: Long Cut; TigersEye
["Why are they made?"]

For artistic reasons, for a challenge, and for fun.

And for attention, and for financial gain (instant tourist attraction, etc.), and for getting a laugh out of the hordes of "paranormalists" who declare that the prank "couldn't possibly" have been made by any process known to man.

Etc.

54 posted on 05/16/2004 11:24:31 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Long Cut
From the site you linked:

"If human pranksters made the formation... they would have to average one circle every 2 minutes and 20 seconds - to say nothing of laying out the whole design and executing it flawlessly. If people made it, they should be running the government, things would get done quickly and done right, for a change!"

Peter Sorensen writing about the DNA crop circle in: Amateur Astronomy Aug/Sep 96

I'm sure there are guys who would love to take credit for this. Algore maybe?

55 posted on 05/16/2004 11:28:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TheLurkerX

I'd love to know how these get made in the hundreds all over the world.



By the hundreds of people (out of billions) who think it would be fun.


56 posted on 05/16/2004 11:28:34 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: TigersEye
For but ONE example of circles used for advertising...CLICK HERE. They have others on their site.

They do a LOT of commissioned work.

57 posted on 05/16/2004 11:28:38 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Ichneumon
I find it strange that so many people are so willing to suggest that "XXXX couldn't possibly be manmade!"

We've even heard that about the Pyramids. Seems some people sell the human mind and ingenuity very short.

Cripes! We've been to the moon and space, to the depths of the ocean, mapped the human genome, and a host of other accomplishments. why should making cicle designs in crops be so difficult?

58 posted on 05/16/2004 11:32:05 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Such as the differences seen at the molecular level in the seeds of affected crops near the center as opposed to those further towards the outside of some formations.

I've read a number of the "reports" of such "phenomena". I have yet to see one that rises above "true believers seeing what they want to see in the test results".

Furthermore, a lot of the crop circle nuts (excuse me, "researchers") have little or no expertise in the testing methods they're attempting to use, or are working way out of their field (no pun intended), etc. Mostly they're a bunch of overenthusiastic amateurs frantically looking for something "special" about the flattened crops -- and if you look for something long and hard enough, you can find it, whether there's actually anything there or not.

Also, how is it that in some formations, the stalks are broken at the base...leaving little to the imagination as to how they are bent...but on other formations, not a single stalk shows any sign of damage at the base...

Please provide a source for the amazing claim that "not a single stalk" shows "any" sign of damage. These kinds of claims are common among "paranormalists", but almost inevitably fade away when someone tries to substantiate them.

they are simply bent and look as if they grew that way.

"Simply bent" is easy -- when young and fresh many crop plants will bend instead of breaking. Duh.

"Look as if they grew that way" sounds like another one of the overblown claims or those that "grow in the telling" (e.g. "bent but not broken" morphs into "just like they had grown that way" after a few retellings).

Just curious how some folks account for these anomalies in an overnight, man-made formation.

In short, sloppy methods and sloppy reporting by the overenthusiastic.

I have yet to find any amazing claim about crop circles that didn't fade into the mundane the closer you looked into it.

59 posted on 05/16/2004 11:34:17 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: TigersEye
They add quotes like that to demonstrate how wrong some otherwise intelligent people can be.

Read the whole site. They lay out their methodology quite well.

Heck, they've even figured out how to make money doing it!

60 posted on 05/16/2004 11:35:51 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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