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Doctors Aren't Border Agents
LA Times, Local Section ^ | 5-16-04 | Steve Lopez

Posted on 05/16/2004 6:59:18 AM PDT by LNewman

I camped outside Congressman Dana Rohrabacher's house in Huntington Beach the other day to make sure no illegal immigrants showed up to mow the lawn.

It wouldn't have been good timing for the congressman if they did. A vote is due this week in Washington on a bill by Rohrabacher that would require doctors and nurses to report suspected illegals for deportation.

Why should MDs do the dirty work? Seems to me that if Rohrabacher really wants to drive out illegal immigrants, he should have introduced a bill imposing fines on neighbors who hire undocumented gardeners. I saw lots of trimming and leaf-blowing as I approached his house.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigrantlist
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To: PLK
So, not only does the government require reporting of suspected abuse...

The difference is that when you report an abuse case, someone does something about it.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 9:27:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: traumer

Well, they must be doing the jobs that Americans won't do, then.


42 posted on 05/16/2004 9:29:25 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: LNewman
Doctors Aren't Border Agents

They don't seem to have problems complying with other laws that tend to line their pockets.

43 posted on 05/16/2004 9:31:30 AM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: LNewman
So what the point to MD turning them in? The MD calls the Feds and the Feds will DO NOTHING, just another level of bureaucracy for the Docs. I am sure a phone call is just the first step, paper work in triplicate, witnessed, certified, and sent by registered mail. By the time its over they will be voting on federal funds to set up a bureaucracy to administer the DIIAA (Doctors Identifying Illegal Aliens Administration. Plus the added cost to medical bill for the docs admin. cost, and the taxes to fund the DIIAA. Soon it will be a cabinet post.

Its of the subject but, this brings up a question I have. Has any one heard of any bureaucracy ending. We have all these alphabet soup of administrations, services, cabinet post, and a whole bunch of others. But none of them seam to go away.

Off the subject again, but you all remember algore's reinventing gov. I do, he said he got rid of 400,000 gov. jobs. Did you know that about 350,000 for those jobs were military.
44 posted on 05/16/2004 9:32:52 AM PDT by Veloxherc (To go up pull back, to go down pull back all the way.)
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To: FRMAG
As for doctors having to report things, in most places they are required by law to report gunshot wounds and stabbings not to speak of drawing blood on request to establish DUI. why not add one more class of criminals?

When you report a gunshot wound or a stabbing, the police come right away, make an investigation, and often make an arrest.

When you document DUI, the perp gets arrested right on the spot.

When you report (or, I should say, try to report) an illegal alien, not only does nothing happen to the criminal, but you get in trouble with your emplotyer if you work for a hospital and may be attacked by the perp or his many friends and relatives.

Have you ever tried "reporting" an illegal alien?

Did anything happen (of a constructive nature)?

Didn't think so.

45 posted on 05/16/2004 9:32:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"As citizens it is our duty to report criminal activity when we see it."

Yes, well, there is another point that would need to be addressed first. Even if I know some person or another is here illegally, it is very unlikely that our immigration department is going to take any action against them.

These people turn up all the time, lately there has been a lot of people in the newspaper who are squabbling about tuition for college, because they are illegal. Any two bit Barney Fife of an immigration agent could easily ascertain their address and go arrest and deport them. But they don't. Am I going to dial the cops when I see some one littering, despicable though I find that, and I do. No, because the cops aren't going to respond to that.

If the feds aren't going to enforce immigration law, what's the point of anyone else trying to do so? The State of New Jersey, the municipality of Bayonne, Jocon307, none of US can deport people.


46 posted on 05/16/2004 9:42:24 AM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: LNewman
"Rohrabacher is like the last Japanese soldier on the island who still hasn't heard the war is over," said Frank Sharry of the National Immigration Forum, one of the leading foes of Rohrabacher's bill.

Frank Sharry is a typical anti-American who would sell out his own country to make a quick buck off of illegal immigration.

47 posted on 05/16/2004 9:45:35 AM PDT by usadave
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To: jocon307
That is a completely different situation, apples and oranges.

The logic is implicit. Breaking the law is violence and the victim is the American people. You seem to think that this is violence in some abstract sense. These abuses will eventually work their way through the system and eventually someone will really be hurt ( denied care, access to care, etc.). I don't think this is apples and oranges.

48 posted on 05/16/2004 9:53:26 AM PDT by virgil
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To: jocon307
"Even if I know some person or another is here illegally, it is very unlikely that our immigration department is going to take any action against them."

If enough citizens begin taking action, you don't think that would get the feds off their lazy/politically correct asses??

49 posted on 05/16/2004 10:07:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Kuksool
You need to live in California for an introduction to Mexican "logic". It's only "logical" whenever it advances their interests, and their fundamental, overriding interests are 1)to occupy the United States, 2) to get political power here by any means possible, and 3) to then use that power to drain the country of every dime it has.

My son spent 3 months in a NICU in northern California. About 40% of the other children were Mexican (I don't use the silly "hispanic" label because it's something invented in the U.S.; people in Latin America refer to nationalities, so I do too). Of those children I would guess half had no insurance at all (their parents spoke only Spanish). Not to worry. The hospital employs a full time social worker who makes sure that every avenue of tax payer assistance is pursued (we kept getting calls from government agencies, always staffed by Mexican females, asking us when would we be filling out the assistance forms. They were taken aback when I said "thanks, but we have insurance and enough money to pay our deductibles").

I once went to the billing office of this hospital to get some information. They keep a full time spanish speaker at the office. While I was there, a Mexican couple was having an animated conversation with her -- they laughed when they gave their address as being in the "Estados Unidos". They were clearly in the country illegally. The forms for assistance that were available there and in the hospital itself went to great pains to point out that "immigration status" is not required for the majority of programs. They know that because there is an entire apparatus set up to make sure they know it.

50 posted on 05/16/2004 10:12:12 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Wonder Warthog

"If enough citizens begin taking action, you don't think that would get the feds off their lazy/politically correct asses??"

By just reporting illegals? Possibly, but doubtful. By demanding enforcement, more likely, and I expect this will happen.

I would recommend the same action I recommend against Muslims: don't hire them, don't buy from them, don't rent to them, don't sell them real estate.

Obviously, if not enough people are willing to do these things, esp. regarding illegals, they will continue to find a home here.


51 posted on 05/16/2004 10:18:20 AM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: LNewman

Doctors aren't social workers either, so why do they have to do the dirty work of reporting suspected child abuse? What an idiotic argument.


52 posted on 05/16/2004 10:59:51 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

What is wrong with law enforcement personnel enforcing the law? Is this too radical a solution? It would seem to end the pro and con arguments on this thread.


53 posted on 05/16/2004 11:48:16 AM PDT by meenie
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


54 posted on 05/16/2004 1:58:28 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: LNewman
The hospitals come to the government to get taxpayer money for reimbursement. Yes doc's. You have a responsibility to turn in criminals.
55 posted on 05/16/2004 2:11:56 PM PDT by novacation
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To: DumpsterDiver
If all that's true, I asked, why don't law-and-order Republican colleagues back him up?

Because they're owned by corporate titans and wealthy Americans who want cheap labor, Rohrabacher said.

Those "owned" politicians better pay attention to what happens in the coming Republican primaries. Chris Cannon, the most open borders proponent in Congress may lose his job over this issue. And he's not the only one, there are others as well. Spencer Abraham lost his in 2000. People are fed up and all the corporate money in the world isn't going to save them at the ballot box.

56 posted on 05/16/2004 2:35:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Glenn
Let the government do the damn job we pay them to do.

Just curious, what exactly would you have the government do?

57 posted on 05/16/2004 8:40:41 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Stan Barnes for Congress (http://www.stanbarnes.com/))
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To: Marine Inspector
Just curious, what exactly would you have the government do?

Deport illegal aliens and do everything practical to prevent illegal aliens from entering the country.

58 posted on 05/17/2004 1:54:36 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: gubamyster

bttt


59 posted on 05/17/2004 2:38:01 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Glenn
Deport illegal aliens...

That's the last thing on the government's mind. As far as illegal aliens go it's olly olly oxen free.

60 posted on 05/17/2004 5:11:55 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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