When King George travels, liberties suffer

The Capital Times ^ | May 13, 2004 | John Nichols

[Protagoras]

I did, later in the post. Read the whole thing.

It was hard to wade through the whole inane thing but I managed. I'm glad you didn't imply that anyone on FR did that. But then again, there is no proof that they didn't so I guess we must assume they did. Isn't that how you do it? LOL

[gdani]

got any court cases that say the other side can be moved only so far? Didn't think so.

Uh, yeah.

Are you aware of the most recent ruling in the Martha Burk/Masters Tournament protest case in the 11th Circuit?

Here's a clue: It wasn't the first case of it's kind.

[Protagoras]

but you're perfectly willing to assume the person was arrested for no reason outside of his sign.

I'm willing to assume you haven't committed murder unless someone can make a case to the contrary. You haven't have you? :^}

[freeeee]

Thanks so much for the picture.

You have just dispelled the notion that protesters holding signs pose a security risk.

[Dane]

But there is a growing number of people who think every time their ability to be heard is impeded it must be a First Ammendment violation

Not according to this thread. You and freeee are being ridiculed for praising the writngs, of this leftist hate America writer, but you two still keep on posting.

I will let lurkers on this thread make up their own minds.

[gdani]

....it's perfectly in line with 200+ years of jurisprudence on the subject.

Well, considering the Supreme Court didn't start addressing the free speech component of First Amendment until the early 20th century, that's quite a surprise.

[discostu]

Gosh for a guy that warns other people about not making personal attack you sure do resort to insults a lot. There was nothing inane about that post. And don't worry Protagoras if I want to accuse you of being a whining simpleton with no understanding of the Constitution I won't imply I'll say it (which I didn't, not even just now, that would be rude and uncalled for).

[Hacksaw]

Yes, I know free speech and assembly aren't important to you.

Not your version, apparently.

[HenryLeeII]

Well, given the Left's penchant for violence (John Kerry's admitted war crimes; their gleeful support of murdering children; Ted Kennedy's L'Affaire Chappaquiddick; Pete Stark's demented attacks and threats; the "mulch-assault" committed by Wanda Baucus recently; the anti-Semitic murders instigated by Al Sharpton; the murder of 55,000 Americans in Vietnam and 87 more in Waco; etc.), and their treasonous statements over the past decades, and accelerating in rate and viciousness in recent months/years, I think its only wise that the Secret Service take such precautions.

Besides, this isn't different than security for any other presidential visit in the post-Kennedy, post-Squeaky Fromme, post-Hinckley world. When Dwight Eisenhower visited Mount Vernon during his presidency he and two agents stood in line to visit the house. Sadly, our world is different now, and due in no small part to the coddling of criminals and the divisiveness perpretrated by the Left.

[discostu]

You mean where Martha Burke and six of her dyke friends held a protest and nobody cared? What was the court case, come on present some facts.

[gdani]

What was the court case, come on present some facts.

I think you're quite capable. http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200311756.pdf

[discostu]

Talk about a strawman, funny but the more of your posts I read the more you act like exactly what you keep accusing other people of. Your posts are rude, inane and obtuse, you errect strawmen, and you find it impossile to stick to the point. Come back with a copy pof the police report that says the guy got arrested for holding a sign, otherwsie you're just making assumptions. Bring facts to prove your position, I've told you exactly what I need to agree with you, it's a perfectly resonable request, I'd recommend starting your search at smokinggun.

[Protagoras]

Posting pictures of Freepers protesting Dims and liberals might be useful about now. I don't have any, do you?

[HenryLeeII]

Before you get your panties in a wad about "security during wartime", try explaining exactly what threat the people with dissenting opinions hold that those allowed to stand along the president's route (as clearly shown in the picture) do not.

I guess the same threat as the anti-infanticide protestor standing on public property outside a Kerry event was posing when the traitorous PoS told one of his goons to steal and destroy her sign. Don't take on Freepers when you don't know the facts. Lefties are crazed and violent people, with the blood of millions on their hands. Get over it!!!

[Dane]

Posting pictures of Freepers protesting Dims and liberals might be useful about now. I don't have any, do you?

And they no doubt followed the law.

Oh darn, there goes your ACLU/Libertarian party talking point.

[Protagoras]

There was nothing inane about that post.

That is a matter of opinion, and my characterization of it was just that. And obviously so. It was not a personal attack, it was an observation of the content of the posts.

I am capable of personal attacks, but I haven't made any on you.

[discostu]

Read page 5. It says content specific restriction can be made but must face "strict scrutiny". Gee, didn't I say content specific restrictions were legal? Yes, yes I did.

[freeeee]

"We saw it after 9-11 when editorialists got fired"

"we saw it when Bill Mahrer lost sponsors for saying the terrorists were brave"

"we saw it when the Dixie Chicks got boycotted for saying they were ashamed of President Bush."

"And we see it when people waving protest signs at presidential motorcades get shoved down the block."

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

[texasbluebell]

Hey, Nichols, why don't you whine louder -- maybe then the couple who were thrown in jail in Chicago when they told x42 where to go can hear you.

[R. Scott]

Clinton caused a lot of disruption when he came through Hampton Roads. The entire Interstate would be sealed from Newport News airport to Williamsburg - so he could play a round of golf.