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George W Bush: Punk icon?
BBC ^ | Last Updated: Thursday, 13 May, 2004, 10:01 GMT 11:01 UK | By Damian Fowler

Posted on 05/13/2004 11:38:29 PM PDT by weegee

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To: weegee
Excellent article and insights! :)

D.I.Y. is punk's anthem. DO IT YOURSELF. How does sucking on the national dole/social net teat promote that? Even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols railed against it.

I remember reading something a few years ago in which the writer was claiming that the Sex Pistols were anti-Thatcher and were formed rise up to sing against what her policies wrought....except for the fact that they were founded at least a year prior to her becoming PM -- and Labour was in charge then. Not that the left ever lets the truth get in the way of their agenda...

41 posted on 05/14/2004 8:41:22 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("If I could shoot like that, I would still be in the NBA" -- Bill Clinton, circa 1995)
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To: 537cant be wrong; weegee

Wow! Thanks for waking me up to the new stuff.

Back around '90, I was acquainted with Cecil English, Vancouver producer of Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys, and many other new groups. I was fronting production costs for some musician pals{palmy days!).

I like hanging out with musicians - they make me feel responsible and sober!

Personally, I'm a rockabilly and blues man. ;^)


42 posted on 05/14/2004 8:43:48 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: lavrenti

FYI - thought you might find this interesting. :)


43 posted on 05/14/2004 8:50:06 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("If I could shoot like that, I would still be in the NBA" -- Bill Clinton, circa 1995)
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To: 537cant be wrong

I still want to talk about records some time, I have just been very busy. Please don't sell any good nuggets before letting me make you an offer!


44 posted on 05/14/2004 9:07:12 AM PDT by bc2 ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" - harpseal)
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To: itsamelman; weegee

dudes, thanks for the ping to this thread.


45 posted on 05/14/2004 9:14:39 AM PDT by bc2 ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" - harpseal)
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To: weegee
BTTT.

Individualism vs. Collectivism (forced in many cases)

Interesting that they leave out the important fact that he fronted the MisFits.
46 posted on 05/14/2004 9:29:36 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777
I think it was deliberate, downplay the name recognition.

Another article on news.google.com claims that punk rock STARTED in England with the Clash and the Sex Pistols.

As I say, I used this thread to refute claims and clarrify some details in this representative article.

47 posted on 05/14/2004 10:34:55 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee

Link Wray F*ng rules.


48 posted on 05/14/2004 10:39:39 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: nonliberal
Slayer's "Silent Scream" is decidedly anti-abortion. Some interviewers have complained that they can't do an interview with Slayer because the band had Rush Limbaugh turned up so loud that it drowned everything else out.

LMAO....Rocks best live band, dittoheads...whodathunkit....

49 posted on 05/14/2004 10:41:13 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Redcoat LI
Here, here!

I went to college in Boston in the mid-late 1980s. I was at the Museum of Art when I overheard a security guard gloating about the Iran Contra scandal the day it broke ("Got something here bigger than Watergate!").

Political Correctness was invasive.

50 posted on 05/14/2004 10:42:09 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: bc2

Well hell's bells. Just when I thought I knew all there was to know about Punk Rock up pops the Monks. As I was reading their web site I thought it was a joke/parody, but it appears to be the real deal. A few years before my time, that's prolly how I missed 'em. Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 05/14/2004 12:19:04 PM PDT by Musket
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To: weegee

Which Monks song did the Fall cover? I don't own any Monks music, but I am aware of them. I do however own quite a few uhhh Fall records/cd's uhhhhh.


52 posted on 05/14/2004 1:10:26 PM PDT by labowski ("The Dude Abideth")
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Yep, it is.


53 posted on 05/14/2004 2:36:44 PM PDT by lavrenti (I'm not bad, just misunderstood.)
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To: qam1

Xer PING?


54 posted on 05/14/2004 4:45:02 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee; qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; ...
Yes sure, You should have got me earlier.

3 pings in one day - A new record

Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details.  

55 posted on 05/14/2004 4:52:15 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: labowski

http://www.visi.com/fall/discog/covers.html

Black Monk Theme Part I
The Fall version: 1990 Extricate album track.

Black Monk Theme Part II
The Fall version: 1990 single B-side.

I have never (knowingly)heard the Fall but it looks like from some of the songs that they've covered that I should.

As you can tell from my soapbox on this thread, I am resistant to some late 70s/early 80s punk from the outset. I listen to some punk bands from those years but I know that there is a whole lot of anarcho-political hardcore junk that I don't want to touch.

If punk was so liberal in the early days why did so many New York punks use Nazi imagery (wearing iron crosses and even swastikas) without being nazis, antisemites, or fascists?

Cartoonist Peter Bagge has said that Art Spiegelman was disappointed in him when he worked with John Holstrom (on Comical Funnies among other publications). John was the lead cartoonist at Punk and he also illustrated a number of Ramones album covers and liner notes.

Art's take was that John was too quick to use shocking imagery (like swastikas) without comprehending the horror that symbol represented to some people (like Art's parents who were Holocaust survivors).


56 posted on 05/14/2004 4:55:03 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee
PING for punk rock republicans. Anyone who can think for themselves will defend individualism over the jackboot of socialism. It boggles the mind so many of today's bands embrace the enemy that would take them out first. My band here in Portland is awash in a sea of these numbskulls, but in the spirit of Johnny Ramone, we like our cheeseburgers, comic books and capitalism. All the anti-conformists are in agreement - I'm the biggest rebel around. And I get things thrown at me at the bar by the 'tolerant' leftists for even mentioning our great president.

Our son 'Truth Brigade' is about the strangulation of freedom by PC nazis. You can check out our lyrics at www.thehazmats.net.

57 posted on 05/14/2004 5:00:24 PM PDT by dk88 ((Bringing the rock since way back in the day))
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im glad my mom pinged this to me. im a 16 year old punk and republican. there are some extreme democrats and bush-bashers in my ap english class. i can't wait til we have our 'end of the year discussion day' monday. i know i can't change em, i've tried w/ others, doesn't work. maybe i'll impact some though. if anyone has some suggestions for me to use in our discussion, i am open to them.

"punk" has become mainstreamed. it has no true meaning in school hallways anymore. close your eyes and point and you can find a "punk." but keep in mind, not everything is what it seems.


58 posted on 05/14/2004 8:23:37 PM PDT by RePunKlican87 (we won't be silenced, we can't be stopped. a teenage elephant stampede. coming to a town near you.)
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To: egarvue
I was never a fan of punk when I was in high school, being a huge metal guy back in the 80's. But I did notice that when it came to the politics of the time, it always seemed that the metal and punk people I knew were big supporters of Reagan and his standing up to the evil empire. It was the limp-wristed pop fans who were pro-communist, pro-left. I'm glad to see that punks today are standing up once again against the leftist MTV co-op machine.

Oh yeah. 80's metal was, and still is, the best. Remember Iron Maiden's "Flash of the Blade", about the joy of combat? Or better yet, their song "The Prisoner", about breaking free of bondage and heaping fear and death on the enemy. (With the intro from the British TV show of the same name, "I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A FREE MAN!" Still gives me goosebumps thinking about it.)

People who are inclined to metal aren't the types to sit around, holding hands, beating a drum, and singing "Cumbaya". Hell no! We want to get out there and bash the skulls of those who would constrain us.

And how about ol' Sammy Hagar, from the song VOA from the album VOA:

You in the Middle East
Keep on your toes
We're about to strike
Everybody knows

Just tell your friends
The USSR
We're gonna crash that party
'Cause they've gone too far!

Gotta love ol' Sammy. I understand he makes some damned fine tequila, too.

LOL I'd like to hear what ol' Billy Milano from the Stormtroopers of Death has to say about the War on Terror, after hearing his old song, "F**k The Middle East".

59 posted on 05/14/2004 8:41:58 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The English word "Left" is translated into Latin as "Sinister". Think about it.)
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To: nonliberal
Slayer's "Silent Scream" is decidedly anti-abortion. Some interviewers have complained that they can't do an interview with Slayer because the band had Rush Limbaugh turned up so loud that it drowned everything else out.

Ever heard Slayer's song "Dittohead"? Harsh, man. Re-e-e-eal harsh.

Also, I listen to "War Ensemble" and "Bitter Peace" while raining fire and death on my enemies in my war games. LOL Good times.

60 posted on 05/14/2004 8:50:57 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The English word "Left" is translated into Latin as "Sinister". Think about it.)
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