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Nick Berg had "coincidental" link to Moussoui
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Posted on 05/13/2004 2:05:20 PM PDT by kcvl

Wow!


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KEYWORDS: answer; berg; cia; fbi; libdad; moussaoui; moussoui; nickberg; questions; terroristlinks
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To: OldFriend

I was mistaken about the picture. It was of a different individual, and a different timeframe.


601 posted on 05/13/2004 5:15:36 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: All
Timestamps on Nick Berg Video, 2 cameras used


Some news outlets have raised questions about time gaps in the Nick Berg murder video, citing an 11-hour gap in the sequence. Complete hogwash. The video is in real time and is shot with 2 video cameras with their internal timestamps set differently. The final video is edited back and forth with shots from both cameras, with one 22-minute gap while the group execution scene is prepared after Berg's initial statement. At times the scene shows the second cameraman in the margins of the video as they switch back and forth. Here is the sequence and the timestamps shown on both cameras:

Begin, camera one, 13:26:24 to 13:26:28
Berg talking, seated in a chair.

Cut to camera two, 2:18:35 to 2:18:43
Berg still talking, still in chair, viewed from another angle but no time gap. Berg's statement takes about 12 seconds.

Skip ahead 22 minutes, camera two, 2:40:30
Now we see the five terrorists standing behind Berg, who is now seated on the floor, with the center man preparing to read a written statement. This scene runs until 2:44:48, taking 4 minutes 18 seconds, and ends with the center man pulling his knife, grabbing Berg by the hair, and the other men grabbing and holding Berg down.

Cut to camera one, 13:45:47
Execution scene continued from other camera angle, no gap in action. At 13:46:30 you can plainly see the other cameraman in the right margin of the frame, and you can see him using his video camera for the remainder of this shot. This scene runs for 46 seconds as the head is sawed off, until 13:46:33.

Gap of 73 seconds, to 13:47:46
Cut to scene of killer lifting up and then holding severed head up to the camera. This scene runs until 13:47:53.

Cut back to camera two, 2:46:18 to 2:46:22
Shows the killer holding the head from another camera angle.

Cut to camera one, 13:48:34
Head is shown resting on the chest of the decapitated body, camera pans to the severed neck for a few seconds, video ends 13:48:49.

There are two short time gaps in the sequence. First there is apparently a 22-minute gap between Berg's statement and the actual execution scene. Second, there is a 73-second gap (camera one) while the killers apparently finish severing the head and get it loose to hold up. Camera two is missing 90 seconds at this point. With the obvious editing back and forth between scenes from two cameras, this gap is probably not significant. Perhaps the terrorists did not want to show the difficulty of severing the spine to get the head loose, which I suspect would be quite hard with a knife.

Total elapsed on camera one (13:26:24 to 13:48:49) 22 minutes 25 seconds.
Total elapsed on camera two (2:18:35 to 2:46:22) 27 minutes 47 seconds.

Camera one was probably not running during the reading of the terrorist statement, and perhaps camera one has a time "counter" as opposed to a "clock" meaning it shows time filmed, not real clock time. If that were the case with camera two, then it is missing 22 minutes of actual footage, not 22 minutes of real time. I think that unlikely. However, the value of the numbers on camera two seem more likely to be clock time than footage time, unless the cameraman simply forgot to reset his counter from prior sessions. Leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me on video cameras.

602 posted on 05/13/2004 5:16:24 PM PDT by adaven (Islam = Submission. Socialism = Submission.)
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To: Plutarch
I’ll bet that Berg was at OU because of Moussoui.

You gotta wonder. Till we know more, I'll probably stick with the double agent theory -- or that it isn't Berg in the video.

603 posted on 05/13/2004 5:16:58 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis

bump


604 posted on 05/13/2004 5:17:27 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

No. Berg is not John Doe #2.

Berg was in Oklahoma City at the same time as the 20th 9/11 hijacker Massoui (spelling?). Somehow Massoui ended up with Berg's password and e-mail information and the FBI interviewed Berg about that matter following 9/11.

It is an interesting coincidence that a man beheaded by Al Qaeda had his e-mail password compromised (at least) in Oklahoma by an Al Qaeda member.

The reason Oklahoma came up further in the conversation is because it is a central meeting point for terrorists.

Three of the 9/11 terrorists stayed at the same hotel as John Doe #2 in the OKC bombing. At least 24 people saw John Doe #2 (who is identified in the book The Third TErrorist) with McVeigh before the bombing. The country's largest contingent of ex-Iraqi Republican Guard expatriots lives in Oklahoma City.


605 posted on 05/13/2004 5:18:41 PM PDT by Peach
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To: maggiefluffs

Thank you!


606 posted on 05/13/2004 5:18:53 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Thanks Peach, Interesting information. More pieces of puzzle to examine.


607 posted on 05/13/2004 5:19:41 PM PDT by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: Bahbah
You said.....Especially given Michael Berg's comment about how they, the murderers, didn't have a better friend. Very curious.

You heard him say that??? Maybe he meant the Iraqi's didn't have a better friend.

608 posted on 05/13/2004 5:20:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. DC)
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To: Libertina
Regarding #567 and its disappearance, apj.us is on the restricted list as americanpolitics.com. I know it's increasingly hard to keep track.
609 posted on 05/13/2004 5:20:15 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Republican Red

Oh I know it's way out there.

I will remain angry over that video for a very long time. When my friend and I saw it, we were too shocked to notice the time discrepancy, nevermind that this man was dark haired and slighter build that Nick Berg.

I don't know what to think. I am very sad that his father would use his own son's death to push a political agenda. I have 4 kids. If God forbid something happened to one of them, I don't think I'd be able to discuss it for months. This is another think that I don't understand. It's like we're mourning him more than his own father.


610 posted on 05/13/2004 5:20:20 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: Gooze Frabah
Does this sort of thing happen often?

I believe you are talking about the conspiracy aspect of this thread. If so, the answer is no. Normally on FR, 'tinfoil' is used as an ephithet to stop discussions. I think that in this particular case though, the circumstances are pegging too many people's incredulity meter.

Personally, I think something incredibly strange surrounds the brutal murder of this young man. The mainstream press will never do their job to follow it up though, as the mere mention of 'tinfoil' is the kiss of death to most professional jouralists and pundits, no matter how high the strange coincidences pile up.

611 posted on 05/13/2004 5:21:07 PM PDT by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: Spunky

I didn't see that--if you find it in print, mail it to me.


612 posted on 05/13/2004 5:21:52 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Peach; All

Can anybody point me to the link of Berg's fathers remarks? Thanks

Prairie


613 posted on 05/13/2004 5:22:22 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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To: Ann Archy

No, it's on another thread and it is a quote from his comment to the media. It clearly was not a reference to the Iraqi people, but rather to the terrorists. I will go back and look to see if I can find it.


614 posted on 05/13/2004 5:22:40 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: tall_tex
Seems like someone would have by now questioned his beer buddy in Bagdad (one of the last to see him), and ask for a description. Berg sure doesn't look like someone who would grow a black beard in such a short time frame.
615 posted on 05/13/2004 5:22:53 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: kcvl
"He told me he was going over there," Quinn said. "He didn't seem worried or upset. He was ready to go. He said, 'I'm going to Iraq. I'm going to do my duty.'"

I'm going to do my Duty ???

He wasn't in the military .. he was suppose to over there to make money

616 posted on 05/13/2004 5:24:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: prairiebreeze

I've only heard him on television, prairie.

Knowing Old Media as we all do, they won't print anything about how AQ killed their best friend. I can't remember the father's exact words about that either.


617 posted on 05/13/2004 5:25:47 PM PDT by Peach
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To: OldFriend

There's a private funeral today and a private memorial service tomorrow. After that, I expect daddy Berg to be all over the media.


618 posted on 05/13/2004 5:25:48 PM PDT by Wolfstar (I'm sorry the public shrugged when Clinton said truth depended on what the meaning of IS, is.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

The pics you see of a bald Berg with glasses merely indicate Berg looks different with different musculature and hair and facial hair.

So do I. I look different in plenty of pics. The video quality wasn't great.

The mouth is the same and if any of you tinfoilers had seen the OTHER photos of Nick from his yearbook or what have you, then you'd see more of a resemblance.

But hey, let's trash the victim here in our attempt to spin some sort of sinister conspiracy.


619 posted on 05/13/2004 5:27:23 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Kackikat

The US couldn't be that sloppy, could they?

I think I'm going to email my friend and send him the pics. He saw the video with me, and he'll remember the man in the video...who could forget. I'll see what he says.


620 posted on 05/13/2004 5:28:19 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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