Infrared picks up invisible UFOs

worldnetdaily.com ^ | 5/12/2004 | worldnetdaily.com

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Image taken from infrared video of UFOs

The Mexican air force has released video footage of 11 unidentified flying objects that were only visible via an infrared camera.

The objects reportedly flew around a military surveillance plane, Reuters reported.

Jamie Maussan, a journalists and UFO enthusiast, told reporters yesterday the objects seemed "intelligent" because at one point they changed direction and surrounded the plane that was chasing them.

"They were invisible to the eye but they were there, there is no doubt about it. They had mass, they had energy and they were moving about," Maussan said after showing a 15-minute video. He says Mexico's Defense Ministry gave him permission to show the footage.

According to Reuters, the government confirmed the video was shot by the air force on March 5 over the eastern coastal state of Campeche as the aircraft looked for drug traffickers near the Gulf of Mexico.

"We are not alone! This is so weird," one of the pilots can be heard yelling, the news service reported. The plane's crew had just switched on the infrared camera after first picking up the objects by radar.

The objects were described as blobs of light that hover in formation or dart about, sometimes disappearing into a cloud.

One of the pilots said he became nervous after the objects surrounded the plane.

"There was a moment when ... the screens showed they were behind us, to the left and in front of us. It was at that point that I felt a bit tense," said Maj. Magdaleno Castanon told Maussan on a separate piece of videotape.

"This is historic news," Maussan said.

"Hundreds of videos (of UFOs) exist, but none had the backing of the armed forces of any country. ... The armed forces don't perpetuate frauds."

[buffyt]

I sent a link to this thread and a link to the video of the space crafts that the Mex. air force photoed, and your comments to a friend, who also believes we are headed toward end times.... Cashless society, retina scan and fingerprint ID, will make it easy for the anti Christ....
to enlist other humans to help round us all up. That is all in Revelations.... no one will be able to buy or sell without the Mark...

Read the book.... "The Illuminati" by the late Larry Burkett. Written as fiction YEARS ago, most of it has already come to pass. It has antiChrist as a central figure. The sequel has computer models that are programmed WRONG on purpose to make the world THINK there is global warmin.... hmmmmm.......

"However, I don't have any doubt that virtually all the better known alien races are fitting in one way or another into what The Bible calls the Great Deception of the end times era. Whether the puppet masters end up casting the aliens as evil and therefore we have to have a world government to fight them " = by Quix

[Final Authority]

Explain the cause of ionization? If there was ionization the surfaces would be detectable in the visible spectrum. They weren't, apparently. So you are all wet, as are the other experts writing on this thread. I believe in the idea that intelegent life may live elsewhere, especially in your neighborhood.

[buffyt]

If sudafed is outlawed, I hope I stock up with a lifetime supply FIRST!

The air force pilots in the video sure didn't think they were of this world, the UFOs. They surrounded the jet.

[Cuttnhorse]

Hmm, wonder if this has anything to do with "Peter Rowan and The Free Mexican Air Force"??

[buffyt]

You are just no fun. We are ejoying this conversation. We aren't PROOVING anything here.....

[Cobra Scott]

In our observed reality, there are several hundred billion galaxies, each with several hundred billion stars. What are the statistical chances that we are alone in the universe? Zero.

Better brush up on your math a little bit. You are citing the gambler's fallacy. Vegas was built on it.

[jpsb]

"What are the statistical chances that we are alone in the universe? Zero."

I love to read a proof for the non zero probability of intelligent life else where in the universe.

Does the fact that I exist and the largeness of the Universe mean that I also exist else where? I think not.

Let's take a look at a few of constraining factors that science thinks were necessary for me to exist.

a)Life on earth requires at least third generation star system, since life on earth requires a planet make with heavy elements. Ergo, life as we know it could not possibly exist in the early universe and maybe not even until serveral billion years ago. So if the Universe is 14 billion years old life was not possible in the first 7 billion years or so. So how many of those billions and billions of galaxies are over 7 billion years old? How many still exist today? point a cuts the probability in half.

b). Life as we know it is only possible in the outer edges of a galaxy, closer to the center the environment is to violent. b) cut the probability by 2/3. (1/2 * 2/3 = 1/6)

c). Life as we now it requires a Sun like star. While sun like stars are not unusual, not all or even most stars in the universe are sun like. c is another divide by 2 (1/6 * 1/2 = 1/12)

d. Life as we know it requires a planet orbiting in the middle of an inhabitable zone. Earth is right in the middle, Mars is just outside the outer edge and Venus just inside the inner edge. That makes the orbital zone about 70m miles to 110m miles. What is the probability of a planet forming in this zone? Well the Sun has nine and only one formed here so I could call it 1/9 but I'll call it 1/3 1/12 * 1/3 = 1/36

Now the planet must be solid a 50/50 based on the Sun so 1/36 * 1/2 = 1/64. And it must be of earth size another 50/50, 1/64 * 1/2 = 1/128.

The solid planet orbiting the inhabitable zone of smallish third generation star on the outer edge of a galaxy also needs a magnetic field to deflect the solar winds of it star, which if not deflected would fry any life. To have a magnetic field requires a hot iron core. That is at least a 1/2 and more likely a 1/10. 1/256,

and the planet needs to have water (lots of water) and and inert atmosphere. Another 1/2 at least. 1/512.

To protect the planet from cosmic collisions the planets solar system must contain number large outer planets. 1/1024.

The planet needs a large moon to generate the tidal forces that mix the soup, but a proper moon can only be created as a result of a planetary collision of a very special type. this has got to be a 1/1000. 1,024,000 drop in potability so far and I haven't even got to the

3 billion years of relative stable conditions needed to evolve intelligent life. What are the chances of a planet existing for 3 billion years without some terrible violent event like a local super nova? Gamma ray bust? huge collision? another 1 in a 1000.

Now we have a 1,024,000,000 drop in probability. Any we have not even looked at what it takes in terms of chemistry, assuming chemistry can make life happen, what are the chances of proper chemistry? Another 1 in 1000? OK, 1,024,000,000,000, that is a 1 trillion drop in probability.

I hope I have make my point. We are very very lucky to be here. And it is not at all certain that our kind of luck is common in the universe.

[Quix]

Oh dear, Please forgive me for daring to assault your senses with words tooooooo far beneath your exalted IQ and experience.

I beg of you that you not horse whip me for my plebeian ignorance and lowness.

I realize that it is a daring affrontery to even reply to such an exalted personage as you, but hey, maybe some of your cheekiness has rubbed off on me.

In the unlikely case that you might in an odd moment of weakness desire to consider another point of view . . . some infitesimal part of your vast mental horse powers

MIGHT

consider reading

UNCONVENTIONAL FLYING OBJECTS--a scientific analysis

by PAUL HILL--who "was a well-respected NASA scientist when, in the early 1950s, he had a UFO sighting. . . .

For the next twenty-five years, Hill acted as an unofficial clearing house at NASA, collecting and analyzing sightings' reports for physical properties, propulsion possibilities, dynamics, etc. To refute claims that UFOs defy the laws of physics, he had to make 'technological sense...of the unconventional object.'

After his retirement from NASA, Hill finally completed his remarkable analysis. In UNCONVENTIONAL FLYING OBJECTS, published posthumously, he presents his findings that UFOSs 'obey, not defy, the laws of physics.' Vindicating his own sighting and thousands of others, he proves that UFO technology is not only explainable, but attainable."

ISBN 1-57174-027-9

edgar Mitchell, Sc.D., Apollo 14 Astronaut has this to say about Paul Hill:

"Paul Hill has done a masterful job ferreting out the basic science and technology behind the elusive UFO characteristics....Perhaps this book will help bring solid consideration for making all that is known about extraterrestrial craft publicly available."

Since I am obviously so ignorant and stupid [in your eyes] about life and reality, I'll only dare to quote Paul Hill:

pp65-68

F. The Fuzzy or Invisible UFO Outline

The quantum mechanical explanation for the indistinct or invisible outline of the UFO at night is particularly straightforward. In excited molecules, the downward drop of the electron through various energy levels is a reversible process. When two molecules each have an electron in an unstable upper energy level u, that drop

to a lower level 1, they each give off a photon with an energy equal to the difference in the energy levels u and l. If the photon from the first molecule properly encounters the second, it puts the electron back from level l to level u, the reverse of the relaxation process. This is why the spectroscopist says that the absorption spectrum of a gas is equal to its emission spectrum. Any wave length which a gas emits it can, and does absorb. Since the excited air emits in the visible wavelengths It absorbs in the same wavelengths, and there is a critical distance of a few feet of plasma that will absorb the passing light. In other words, beyond a few feet of thickness a plasma is essentially opaque to light of it’s own emission frequencies.

At night, when the witness must see the UFO by its own light, it follows that if the plasma is fully developed (saturated with ions) the plasma can completely obscure the UFO, for the critical distance is small. In The more general case where the UFO is opening at a lower radiation, the witness can see the UFO surface directly ahead, looking normal to the surface through the least amount of plasma. The light reflected from that surface reaches his eye. But when he looks for the outline he must look obliquely through a greater thickness of plasma. The light from the edge will be partly or all absorbed, making the edge indistinct or invisible. This is why the witness says "I’m sure the object was solid, but I couldn't see its shape." If the UFO radiation dies down as the witness watches, the entire UFO becomes visible because the actual plasma thickness becomes less than critical.

The opaqueness of various plasmas to passing radiation has many counterparts in modern technology The principle is used in the furnace design of steam turbine electric power plants which are designed to heat the boiler tubes by gas radiation. The designer makes the plasma thickness "seen" by the boiler tubes a little greater than the critical plasma thickness, so a maximum of radiated energy reaches the tubes. A greater thickness would do no good, as the radiation can pass no further. Another example can be seen in vehicles re-entering the earth's atmosphere from orbit or from a lunar trip. While the plasma sheath is at a maximum, there is a complete radio communications blackout, for even the radio frequencies can't pass through the critical plasma thickness. That some are hot and some are cold makes no difference. The degree of ionization and excitation is what counts.

[check the book for the figure]

Figure 111-4. Effect of plasma thickness on visibility.

The absorption characteristics of the plasma can also partly account for a daytime hazy or smoky appearance of the atmosphere around the UFO. When the surrounding illumination is brighter than the plasma, the plasma absorption may be greater than its emission, making it look darker, or hazy, as in Ray Hawks' sighting in Section IX (Lorenzen, UFO, The Whole Story, 224). If it looks very dark or smoky, the UFO primary radiation is probably inducing chemical reactions of the atmospheric impurities, perhaps, for example, smog. Atmospheric impurities could be very important in the interpretation of UFO data because, as is well known, impurities in a gas can make ionization linger.

Figure III-5 is a photo of a pertinent experiment. The Langley Research Center of NASA has developed a technique for ionizing the air in a supersonic wind tunnel in order to photograph a test model by ion light. It is a simple way to study the air flow and shockwave system. The photo is that of a small model under test. The N[sub2] 1st negative blue peaks of nitrogen are activated by shooting a stream of electrons crosswise and up-stream of the model. These are the same ions which give the UFO its blue color at high power. The light color (blue in the original photo) around the model is a zone of compressed, ionized air created by the surrounding supersonic shock envelope under study. It is by this light that we see the model, while this photo is almost full-size, making it size favorable for seeing because the plasma depths are small, still the edges are indistinct. This is particularly true, in this instance, with regard to the windshield, which is obscured by a local concentration of plasma which doesn't pass reflected light from the windshield. The analogy with the UFO is very close and essentially obvious.

Figure 111-5. Graphic illustration of indistinct outline. Supersonic wind-tunnel model under test, photographed by N2 ion-plasma light.

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If your lofty eyes have stooped to read such humble words, it would be gracious beyond measure if you would magnanimously share any fair-minded comments that might cross your lofty thought processes.

Cheers.

[Quix]

Have looked over Burkett's book. At the time, it was too dreary for my mood and life events so I laid it aside. Sounds like I'd agree a fair amount!

Thanks.

[Quix]

I don't think PROOF is going to come until the 'powers that be' --INCLUDING GOD ALMIGHTY-- are ready for it to be that widely known.

BUT THE INCREMENTAL DISCLOSURES ARE GETTING SPACED CLOSER TOGETHER; ARE DISCLOSING MORE DETAILED, HAVE MORE SPECIFICS and more SEEMING meaty details per page or per hour of media.

Things are clearly building toward the Bible's predicted events and conclusions.

[tortoise]

I read an article about India's experimental radiation treatments on beans - to reduce flatulence. Maybe that's what those glowing dots are.

Well, they had to put all that extra flatulence somewhere. Mexico seemed like a logical choice...

[Quix]

IN TERMS OF

CAUSE

of the ionization, I'll again quote Paul Hill from p 54:

"While there remain many unknown details about the quantum mechanics and spectral behavior of the plasma sheath, there is really only one important secret and that is the exact nature of its cause. Several possibilities enter the arena, and these will be reviewed later, when we narrow the cause down to a power-plant-connected, ionizing, wave-type radiation from the UFO."

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I understand that there are docs in the public domain about some of our more advanced hybrid aircraft which have ionizing technologies built into their leading edges of their wings. I'm sure with your lofty mental abilities, that you would be able to ferret them out on the web if you were so inclined.

[lawgirl]

The interesting thing from your post to me is the noise. I attended my first airshow two years ago and I have to admit that the noise from those planes scared the hell out of me! The weird thing was that you wouldn't really hear it until they were right on you and then ZOOM!!!!! You wanted to duck even though they were hundreds of feet above the ground.

Although, I guess that if a plane is invisible then really it can make all the noise it wants really.

[Quix]

Evidently, in terms of the grav wave craft etc, there's some aspect which wholesale neuters or negates, removes the sonic boom beyond the speed of sound . . . as well as MOST other sound.

Sometimes a low freq hum is heard. And noises can be triggered in sound systems.

[lawgirl]

I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm glad I'm an American!

[Quix]

Was just pinging off your comment on noise from aircraft that the UFO related craft are a greatly different kettle of fish noisewise.

[lawgirl]

Oh no I knew why you answered me, I just didn't understand the techincal aspects of your post! LOL!

[Shooter 2.5]

[Quix]

Sort of makes two of us!

I have a BIT of a grasp of SOME of it around the edges.

Physics was not my strength at all.

[Final Authority]

I do not have time to debate this rubbish. Air has a transmission spectrum as it has an absorption spectrum. One can find it anywhere in an optics text. If one ionizes air it does not obscure its emmission as the absorption/transmission is not over the entire visible spectrum but it hardly absorbs in the visible at all.

All of what you cite is pure rubbish using words that sound good but are not even scientific as science must be tested and verified by the scientific method. Such science was never applied to this.