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| 5.11.04
| Michael King
Posted on 05/11/2004 12:55:28 PM PDT by mhking
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To: anniegetyourgun
from foxnews.com (they also have an edited version of the video)
"Berg was in Baghdad from late December to Feb. 1 and had returned to Iraq in March. He didn't find any work and planned again to return home on March 30, but his daily communications home stopped on March 24. He later told his parents he was jailed by Iraqi officials at a checkpoint in Mosul.
"He was arrested and held without due process," Michael Berg told the Daily Local News of West Chester. "By the time he got out, the whole area was inflamed with violence."
On March 31, the FBI interviewed Berg's parents in West Chester. Jerri Williams, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, told The Philadelphia Inquirer the agency had been "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq."
On April 5, the Bergs filed a lawsuit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
Then they didn't hear from him after April 9."
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:19:50 PM PDT
by
bitt
To: mhking
Michael, this needs to be forwarded to every idiot congressman and reporter that ever said "We have no business in Iraq; Al Qaeda is not in Iraq, and Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qaeda."
Think they will start to see why GW widened the war to Hussein's Iraq?
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:19:52 PM PDT
by
GaltMeister
(This is not my tagline. My family has it. The tagline belongs to my family.)
To: mhking
...Or would you rather wait until it's "outside your front door?"
I at first thought the thread was about torture being outside my front door.
My question is: would our torturing of Iraqi prisoners prevent this from happening?
To: mhking
Good column. You expressed a lot of what I'm feeling--but haven't yet found (printable) words to express.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:22:15 PM PDT
by
MizSterious
(First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
To: Riley
This country is heading for another Civil War.
It may be. But most liberals don't have guns.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:23:48 PM PDT
by
HungarianGypsy
(I'm voting for Kerry....After I vote for Bush!!)
To: b4its2late
I had not heard a thing of this until this post. Wow. I'm so sad but the media won't make much of it, this is true.
To: Riley
I forgot to add that a liberals weapon of choice is just to nag everyone to death.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:24:27 PM PDT
by
HungarianGypsy
(I'm voting for Kerry....After I vote for Bush!!)
To: All
It's all adding up....the muslum attacks in the past(olympics, beruit...et al)...911...Daniel Pearl....Madrid....and today...the beheading of Nick Berg...
I wonder how much more will be needed to finally convince our President to wage a proper war on radical Islam...but at some point, the p.c. "war" must come to an end, and real hostilities begin. The American people deserve better than having to listen to whining from the left about how mean the U.S. military is to a bunch of murdering thugs....probably most of them with American blood on their hands.....and ALL of them would if they could.
So, how much more are we to endure. Will 5000 more dead do the trick?....10000?.....1000000?.....
To: some guy in the mountains
My question is: would our torturing of Iraqi prisoners prevent this from happening?Are you saying that torture should be military policy? Because it is not now, regardless of what the talking heads on television and on the Hill are trying to tell you.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:25:10 PM PDT
by
mhking
(Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
To: mhking
They intend to wipe us out. Plain and simple. They don't care who they kill. I don't care if it Hamas and Hizbollah killing 4 little girls and their pregnant mom, Islamofascists beheading Daniel Pearl and this man, or Baathists running around firing RPGs.
I got it. They want us dead. Can the left get it?
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:27:08 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
To: HungarianGypsy
Yes, but they're immune from bullets in their armor of moral righteousness.....
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:30:10 PM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: mhking
Good article!!
Why is it that the liberals won't allow Americans to be outraged over 9/11 or the killing of our contractors or our soldiers?? Why are other countries always allowed to have outrage about America but we can't have outrage over what other countries and peoples do to us?????
To: mhking
Are you saying that torture should be military policy? Because it is not now, regardless of what the talking heads on television and on the Hill are trying to tell you.
I'm asking how us continuing to abuse\mistreat\torture prisoners would prevent or not prevent stuff like this from happening again.
To: some guy in the mountains
I'm asking how us continuing to abuse\mistreat\torture prisoners would prevent or not prevent stuff like this from happening again.They are mutually exclusive. Torture will not encourage more, nor will it prevent more.
The cases are akin to comparing apples and oranges.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:39:27 PM PDT
by
mhking
(Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
To: some guy in the mountains
I'm asking how us continuing to abuse\mistreat\torture prisoners would prevent or not prevent stuff like this from happening again.Sad to say it won't, they are trying to imtimidate us but only managed to piss us off even more. They probably believe if they do this enough we would cower like Spain. A few libs will want to surrender but I think the islamists underestimated American resolve.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:41:53 PM PDT
by
darkwing104
(Let's get dangerous)
To: mhking
They are mutually exclusive. Torture will not encourage more, nor will it prevent more.
I'm glad to hear it. So thent this even cannot be blamed on people like me whining that the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners was wrong.
To: mhking
I live in Los Angeles, California. I woke up this morning to the sounds of my alarm clock (not an air-raid siren or the ack-ack of machine guns).
I brushed my teeth with water that didn't make me sick or kill me. I packed my gym bag while standing upright (not on the floor dodging bullets).
I calmly walked to my truck, in the cool of a morning that was gray with clouds (not smoke). I drove to the end of my street without having to pass through a military checkpoint (military or adversary). I didn't drive past tanks, soldiers, cars on fire, or mosques on every corner...just "normal Los Angeles traffic".
I arrived at work (in a high rise building), worked out in my gym, and reported to a great job at a great desk, with great co-workers, able to earn a living, of which the government gets a small percentage.
All of the above, and so much more, is possible because of these brave men and women who serve our country night and day, who stay vigilant and determined to make sure that stuff like 9-11 does not happen on our shores, nor in our skies, again.
Someday the elites, who seem to have everything and still hate President Bush and any conservative leader for it, will realize this. I'll not hold my breath, though.
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:46:06 PM PDT
by
Christian4Bush
(I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
To: some guy in the mountains
So thent this even cannot be blamed on people like me whining that the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners was wrong.You won't hear that from me -- as I said in the piece, blame belongs at the feet of the predators who are in that video.
Now, I will bitch about whiners like you tying our collective hands to prevent us from dealing with this kind of stuff....
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:47:20 PM PDT
by
mhking
(Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
To: mhking
A new CNN survey touted on the news this morning, indicates that more than 50% of Americans believe that the Iraqi war was not "worth it." How many more Americans' deaths will it take before it becomes worth it?This is really a rather strange question. Certainly American deaths, trying to rebuild Iraq, will hardly make what has gone before more worthwhile. Such deaths will never make it "worth it," if it is not already worth it.
Frankly, I think the Administration is entitled to the benefit of the doubt on the decision to invade Iraq. But, as I have repeatedly posted, trying to change the Iraqi culture is folly, and expending American lives and resources in pursuit of such folly, is tantamount to strategic madness. (See Iraq.)
Up until now, my concern has been focused on two facts: (1) that our real enemies, the Internationalists (Al Quaida) who refuse to recognize borders, would use our appearance of meddling with Arab culture, for recruiting purposes; and (2) that there is no justification for expending our resources for such meddling. Frankly, the events in the past week or so suggest another very, very dangerous effect, and that is that while the brilliant initial execution of the War would have served to boost military morale, and draw high quality people to our military services; the protracted pursuit of folly is now beginning to have precisely the opposite effect.
That is a very serious concern. It is not the one that the Leftist critics of the War will focus on; but it should be one that is very, very important for Conservatives critics of the post-conquest policy to consider.
William Flax
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posted on
05/11/2004 1:53:17 PM PDT
by
Ohioan
To: mhking
Hear! Hear!!
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