[AdrianneTruett]

Problem with the US pics being photoshopped is that, unlike the British ones, here we have the specific soldiers involved who, AFAIK, aren't denying any of it. They're just saying that they were told to do it. If they hadn't been involved in anything of the sort, don't you think they'd be making that clear?

[AdrianneTruett]

And I'm not talking about the very faked ones (oh, I dunno, Arab TV networks picking up stills from porn movies and saying they're shots from Abu Ghraib?). Just the ones that a soldier was disturbed enough by to report what was going on to a superior officer. Eh, throw in the pics of soldiers (consensually) getting it on with each other, for good measure.

[Old Sarge]

They're just saying that they were told to do it. If they hadn't been involved in anything of the sort, don't you think they'd be making that clear?

I have been prefacing all my deep comments about the subject with, "We're Still In The Discovery Phase".

Everyone on FR knows how easy it is to manipulate imagery. Asian-American second-graders in Indiana know how to PhotoShop, these days. I have yet to see evidence-quality images of this stuff.

And about the "Only Following Orders" issue: Whose orders? The Prison Commander, or someone farther down the food chain? All the way to the top, or the Tan Wall Of Silence anomg the guard force?

We won't know any of this until the trial transcripts are posted someplace.

[cake_crumb]

Doesn't matter. Let the guilty be prosecuted. The media and Dems made this all about the pics in an effort to recreat the public reaction to Winter Soldier. Let the media make apologies and retractions of the phony ones, so the public knows the truth. Let's not hold our breath.