[Old Sarge]

They're just saying that they were told to do it. If they hadn't been involved in anything of the sort, don't you think they'd be making that clear?

I have been prefacing all my deep comments about the subject with, "We're Still In The Discovery Phase".

Everyone on FR knows how easy it is to manipulate imagery. Asian-American second-graders in Indiana know how to PhotoShop, these days. I have yet to see evidence-quality images of this stuff.

And about the "Only Following Orders" issue: Whose orders? The Prison Commander, or someone farther down the food chain? All the way to the top, or the Tan Wall Of Silence anomg the guard force?

We won't know any of this until the trial transcripts are posted someplace.

[AdrianneTruett]

I agree with you that we don't know everything that's been going on, we don't know whether or not it was warranted / ordered / whatnot, we don't know whether individual pictures were altered, etc. We do know that the worst that's been alleged is not much different from what's known to go on in US and European prisons with no outrage (and often considered useful at inmate-control). All I'm saying is, it seems rather naive to claim that absolutely nothing untoward has gone on, considering that even the soldiers in the pictures aren't disputing that they were actually in those pictures. Others involved with the prison, who are making (pretty good) excuses and explanations, aren't saying that nothing happened; they're saying that it's common practice that may (or may not) have gone a bit too far. It seems silly to try to tell them that nothing at all happened!