Abuse photos 'were staged in UK'

BBC News World Edition ^ | 05/10/04 | BBC

[AdrianneTruett]

And I'm not talking about the very faked ones (oh, I dunno, Arab TV networks picking up stills from porn movies and saying they're shots from Abu Ghraib?). Just the ones that a soldier was disturbed enough by to report what was going on to a superior officer. Eh, throw in the pics of soldiers (consensually) getting it on with each other, for good measure.

[Old Sarge]

They're just saying that they were told to do it. If they hadn't been involved in anything of the sort, don't you think they'd be making that clear?

I have been prefacing all my deep comments about the subject with, "We're Still In The Discovery Phase".

Everyone on FR knows how easy it is to manipulate imagery. Asian-American second-graders in Indiana know how to PhotoShop, these days. I have yet to see evidence-quality images of this stuff.

And about the "Only Following Orders" issue: Whose orders? The Prison Commander, or someone farther down the food chain? All the way to the top, or the Tan Wall Of Silence anomg the guard force?

We won't know any of this until the trial transcripts are posted someplace.

[denydenydeny]

I'm sure that CBS will do a feature story about faked abuse photos. I am completely certain.

[blackie]

Tony ~ I checked your profile page ~ congratulations on your commitment to freedom ~ good stuff!

blackie

[AdrianneTruett]

I agree with you that we don't know everything that's been going on, we don't know whether or not it was warranted / ordered / whatnot, we don't know whether individual pictures were altered, etc. We do know that the worst that's been alleged is not much different from what's known to go on in US and European prisons with no outrage (and often considered useful at inmate-control). All I'm saying is, it seems rather naive to claim that absolutely nothing untoward has gone on, considering that even the soldiers in the pictures aren't disputing that they were actually in those pictures. Others involved with the prison, who are making (pretty good) excuses and explanations, aren't saying that nothing happened; they're saying that it's common practice that may (or may not) have gone a bit too far. It seems silly to try to tell them that nothing at all happened!

[Old Sarge]

Oh, I agree! Something happened inside the wire, but what?!?

And as is the usual in 21st Century America, the Left controls the thoughts of the Sheep; they're only ever hearing one side of things - THEIR side.

[Old Sarge]

I took the liberty of a profile peek, as well.

My word.

[cake_crumb]

Doesn't matter. Let the guilty be prosecuted. The media and Dems made this all about the pics in an effort to recreat the public reaction to Winter Soldier. Let the media make apologies and retractions of the phony ones, so the public knows the truth. Let's not hold our breath.

[blackie]

We have to keep up on what our cousins are up to.

My paternal great grandfather was born in Wales. :)

[weegee]

Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

"Sources told the Daily Telegraph the photographs were set up in a Bedford MK lorry at Kimberley TA base in Preston."

Lord Haw Haw was hanged after WWII. I would expect no less here.

[weegee]

U.S. calls for Arab retractions

The day after a WorldNetDaily report revealed that photos circulating in the Middle East that depict GI's raping Iraqi women were fake and had originated from pornography sites, the U.S. Embassy in Cairo issued a statement calling on Arab news outlets to publish retractions.

The embassy statement read, "We have done a thorough investigation of the origin of these photos and have conclusive evidence that they originated on a pornographic web site. They are clearly staged photos, done by actors, as the site itself states."

The Al Wafd newspaper published four photographs on the top of its front page that were alleged show American soldiers sexually abusing female prisoners in Iraq. Al Osboa and Al Mussawer published two of the same photos

The U.S. Embassy called the publication of these pornographic photos, with headlines alleging the involvement of U.S. soldiers, a "fundamental violation of journalistic integrity," and stated that their publication needlessly inflamed an already heated atmosphere.

"All Americans were appalled and shocked by the incidents of abuse that took place at Abu Ghraib prison," the statement read, "President Bush said he was disgusted by what took place there, and National Security Advisor Rice offered America's apologies to the Iraqi people. Just as the United States government itself undertook a thorough investigation of these incidents, so will our government bring those found guilty to justice. There is no excuse for the kind of abuse perpetrated by a small minority of people at Abu Ghraib. However, neither do such abuses justify exacerbating the situation by publishing fake photos and claims designed to raise the emotional temperature even further."

[weegee]

We've had American soldiers throw live grenades into American officers' tents. What makes it so hard for some people to believe that some antiwar kooks could "act badly" and photograph the activities so as to sully the troops.

What, putting themselves at risk for court martial is too "big a challenge"? Then what is murder???

[Flipyaforreal]

"And if the Brit prisoner abuse pics have been faked... ...then MAYBE THE US ABUSE PICS WERE PHOTO-SHOPPED AS WELL?"

Someone is playing this game very well and a LOT in this world are asleep at the wheel in the meantime. Not an enjoyable thought :( "Quiet majority"....no kidding. The biggest outrage I see/hear about is here at FR, everywhere else?....crickets....(and we keep taking it right up the....)

[Flipyaforreal]

Sigh, as an aside-NO, I don't condone any wrong doing by ANYBODY. That's a given and not my point. Also, I am not saying the US pics were faked, who the heck knows anymore. (/PC rant)

[Moose4]

We have a winner.

}:-)4

[demlosers]

Bedford MK lorry

lorry = truck

If you are wondering...

[beckett]

I only wish ours had been staged.

But clearly these were. The photo at the link shows a guy in a sparkling clean shirt that just happens to have the Iraq flag on it (wink, wink). I mean who can believe these pics are for real? Were combatants running around in the heat and dirt of battle in clean western style shirts? Give me a break.

The Mirror editor, Piers Morgan, should resign. But he is far too brazen a liar to even consider doing that. He's brazened his way out of far worse scraps than this.

[iconoclast]

Gee, why didn't we think of this?"

[The Raven]

Soros????

[AuH2ORepublican]

"lorry = truck"

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Yup. As Paul McCartney wrote:

"Yellow lorry's slow, nowehere to go."