Hackworth To Release Names Of 17 Senators on Internet Today

[Bubbette]

Just heard on KVIl in Dallas, Col. Hackworth being interviewed. Stated he will be releasing the names of the notorious 17 today on the internet. FYI

[cake_crumb]

John McCain is being rewarded by Fox for browbeating Rummy and not letting him talk.

[Miss Marple]

You know, I don't mind discussing this with you, but you are required to be rational. The charges are serious, no one in the military was covering this up, the sole failure was that Rumsfeld didn't alert the president of the seriousness of the charges, and Rumsfeld hadn't even seen the pictures when they were released to the press, because they were EVIDENCE. The soldier's uncle had copies which HE released.

There are specific punishments in the military code for the infractions of which these soldiers are accused. Should they be found guilty, they will be punished. This was well underway before these pictures were released.

[conservative in nyc]

Such a log would be evidence that they didn't receive them. You are right that it wouldn't be dispositive. But any member of Congress falsely accused by Hackworth wouldn't stand for it, especially if up for re-election. This issue is too hot to handle.

And I'd bet that the members of Congress sent back at least a form letter if Lawson's letters were received by their offices.

[FreeReign]

Get 18 Senators and you can have a baseball game

Where have you gone Goose Goslin.

[SeeRushToldU_So]

This is a copy and paste from rushlimbaugh.com? Where's the link?

This Rush 24 member only stuff. But give it a try. It may be on the free side.

[billbears]

They were going to court martial those who did the actual abuse. I think they should court martial the idiot running the prison at the time, too.

Well at least we agree on something. The issue I have is that one has to wonder what the outcome would have been if the pictures had never leaked to the general public. As in all things, it is a double standard. What the punishment will be with full information out in the open versus punishment with not all information released. That's not conspiracy, that's human nature

[FreeReign]

I believe the gentleman who blew the whistle on the prison abuse sent photos FIRST to 17 Senators and got no response so he contacted Hackworth and got action. Why did the Senators not come forth?

Because the case was already being investigated?

[babaloo]

When I was in college I spent a summer taking some classes at Georgetown and worked as an intern for a large trade organization. One of my responsibilities was to do a constituent mail survey to determine how much weight members of congress gave to such mail. IIRC they pretty much ignored mail from non-constituents. In addition, the volume of mail they receive is astounding (and that was long before email). It is very possible that if they were aware the military was looking into this situation they would respond in a form letter that the military was in charge.

[BraveMan]

U.S. Undermines Non-Nuclear Teaty

© 2004 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. All Rights Reserved.

[FreeReign]

Because they were unresponsive to being notfied of a war crime.

There was an investigation already going on in January wasn't there? Why would these senators need to respond?

[L.N. Smithee]

The Senators couldn't play baseball worth a damn. That's why Washington lost the franchise. ;o)

Twice. The first edition of the Washington Senators became the Minnesota Twins. The second edition became the Texas Rangers, which, we all know, were once owned by George W. Bush.

It just occurred to me...Isn't it quite a coincidence that the former boss of the Texas Rangers is now the boss of the Washington Senators?

[cake_crumb]

"The issue I have is that one has to wonder what the outcome would have been if the pictures had never leaked to the general public. As in all things, it is a double standard"

Oh for Pete's sake.

The outcome of the trials before the pictures were illegally leaked would have been courts martial for the actual abusers, and a wrist slap for the idiot running the prison.

The outcome after the illegal leak will be courts martial for the actual abusers, a wrist slap for the idiot running the prison, and a possibility we might lose the most important war since WWII.

Nobody's going to insist she be court martialled. They're too busy demanding Rummy's head on a pike in an effort to destroy the Bush administration and make us lose WWIII just so they can regain power. The idiot running the place will get lost between the bureaucratic cracks.

[hardhead]

Hackworth is to Dubya what Perot was to GHW.

[L.N. Smithee]

Careful. If Hackworth is the one releasing the names they may all be Republicans.

It is my recollection that the first person to literally say "I told you so" the afternoon of 9/11 was Hackworth.

[cyncooper]

I'd like to know the exact content of the letter that was sent.

Was it generic? Did the poor darling nephew and his devoted uncle have information they withheld from the actual investigators they knew were looking into nephew's unsavory activities?---I mean that's why the supposed complaints were made to Congress, because sweet nephew was being persecuted when all he was doing was blowing the whistle, right?

So just how informative or not was this letter?

[Howlin]

I just heard the names on MSNBC:

It's gonna get good!

Mark Dayton is on the list! Byrd; Rockefeller!

And they wrote the letters in January!

[Howlin]

Mark Dayton is one of the ones who got letters!!

[cyncooper]

Cool.

Dayton was one of the biggest jerks to come down the congressional hearing pike last Friday. I would love to see the idiot embarrassed. He strikes me as a mean and stupid man.

[Polybius]

The 17 were supposedly notified (by constitutents serving in Iraq) of the prisoner abuse long before the pictures surfaced.

The 17 Senators were the ones contacted by the uncle of one of the accused abusers.

The uncle was trying to use the blackmail threat of releasing the photos to the news media in order to get the charges dropped against his nephew because his nephew was "only following orders" (the old Nuremberg Excuse).

The uncle said in a news interview quote that has appeared on FR and which I saw read back to Wesley Clarke on MSNBC that "the Army and the U.S. Government could have avoided all this" if they had given in to his blakmail threats.

So, these 17 Senators refused to go along with the uncle's blackmail. That is what they should have done.

There was no cover up involved.

The abuse was first reported on 13 January 2004 by Spc. Joseph Darby.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) Press Release Number: 04-01-43 announced on January 16, 2004 that an investigation was going to be conducted in a case dealing with detainee abuse. This was the first time that the press had heard anything about this and it was 3 days after the abuse had been reported.

A UCMJ Article 15 investigation was commenced on 19 January 2004 and was an extremely extensive investigation with interviews of over 50 witnesses both American and Iraqi.....In other words, such a thourough investigation takes time.

The uncle's "Nuremberg" excuse that his nephew was only "following orders" is not acceptable. Every U.S. servicemember who has graduated from Boot Camp has been taught that a soldier's responsibility is to refuse to obey illegal orders and it is his duty to report illegal activities to higher authority in his chain of command. That is exactly what Spc. Darby did. Spc. Darby did his duty.

Senator Cornyn of Texas summed it up pretty well:

“Some critics would have us believe that it is unfortunate that the Pentagon treated this investigation as a thorough and professional criminal investigation, instead of holding a show trial in the press. Rather than respecting the rights of both the accused and the victims and releasing only a completed report, some would have preferred a premature airing of these details before the full story was known."

[KneelBeforeZod]

you need 20 for senatorial baseball. they are too unathletic...need to have a buck short