Posted on 05/08/2004 12:53:22 PM PDT by johnb838
Detailed allegations of psychological abuse, deprivation, beatings and deaths at U.S.-run prisons in Iraq (news - web sites) were met by public silence from the U.S. Army last October — six months before shocking photographs stirred world outrage and demands for action.
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At the time, one ex-prisoner sensed that words might count for little. Instead, Rahad Naif told a reporter, "I wish somebody could go take a picture of Camp Bucca."
These early accounts by freed prisoners, reported by The Associated Press last fall, told of detainees punished by hours lying bound in the sun; being attacked by dogs; being deprived of sufficient water; spending days with hoods over their heads.
One told AP of seeing an elderly Iraqi woman tied up and lying in the dust; others told of ill men dying in crowded tents.
They spoke repeatedly of being humiliated by American guards. None mentioned the sexual humiliation seen in recently released photos, but Arab culture might keep an Iraqi from describing such mistreatment.
In contrast to suggestions that the photos indicate isolated abuse by a few, these Iraqis told of widespread practices in several camps that would violate the Geneva Conventions and other human rights standards. On Friday, in an unusual public statement, the international Red Cross agreed, disclosing that its inspectors last year found a "broad pattern" of abuse.
On Oct. 18, AP posed specific questions about the reported abuses to the U.S. military command in Baghdad and the 800th Military Police Brigade, which was in charge of detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison and other facilities.
The MP unit drafted responses, AP later learned, but the Baghdad command did not release them. No explanation was given. The AP report, published Nov. 1, cited a statement to Arab television by the MP commander, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, that prisoners were treated humanely.
Meantime, "between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees," according to the report of a later Army investigation.
That Army report said the photos from Abu Ghraib dated from this period — both before and after the AP article appeared.
The Army's report, which found that soldiers also committed "egregious acts and grave breaches" at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq, did not come to light until they were disclosed in the May 10 issue of The New Yorker magazine. It had been classified "secret."
That investigation was prompted by a soldier's complaint to superiors in January about fellow guards' actions.
The half-dozen ex-prisoners interviewed by AP in October were freed without charges after spending months in Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and the Baghdad airport's Camp Cropper.
Some Americans were humane, they said, but many were not.
"They don't have morals. They don't respect old or young. They humiliate everybody," said Naif, 31, a Baghdad resident like the others and one of three brothers confined.
Women guards especially were verbally abusive, with obscene invective, "insulting our sisters and parents. It was very hard to accept," he said.
"Some are like children, showing off their muscle," his brother Hassan, 32, said of the MPs.
Last summer, when temperatures topped 120, guards struck one man at Camp Cropper with an "electric stick" because he was slow carrying water, and then "tied his hands and put him in the sun for three hours," said Ziad Tarik, 24.
This punishment in "The Garden" also was recounted by others: being made to lie bound in the sun for hours on a patch of sand enclosed by razor-wire, even for such lesser infractions as shouting to the next tent or stealing food.
They also told of beatings by guards — for example, of an Abu Ghraib prisoner who refused to eat.
"He was stubborn, so they hit him, and he spent three days in the hospital," Tarik said.
"They used to hit people and turn dogs loose on them," said Saad, 36, the third Naif brother, who spent 2 1/2 months in Abu Ghraib.
"They used to humble people by putting nylon bags over their heads, for three days, with their hands tied up. I know one who died because he couldn't breathe."
The U.S. military and CIA (news - web sites) now say at least 14 detainee deaths have been or are being investigated.
The camps held not only men captured in the anti-U.S. insurgency, but many others picked up by U.S. troops in broad neighborhood sweeps, on slight suspicions or unverified tips, or as curfew-breakers, checkpoint-dodgers or common criminals. Up to 8,000 are believed still held.
The Naif brothers said they and neighbor Tarik were seized by American soldiers after a nasty quarrel with another neighbor, who had links with the U.S. occupation and apparently denounced them as resistance supporters. The brothers were thrown into three separate camps.
Prisoners regularly rose up in protest or riots to demand they be charged or freed, and sometimes to seek better treatment for ill comrades, the men said.
"They'd turn dogs on us to put down the demonstrations," said Ra'id Mohammed Hassan, 42.
He said he was taken to Camp Bucca after Americans searching his car found a weapon, a common item for Iraqis.
The ex-detainees complained they were never given enough water for drinking and washing and at times were denied food as punishment.
"Once we were saying prayers for the death of a prisoner, and we were chanting, so they kept food from us for a day and a half," Saad Naif said.
In hours of AP interviews, the Iraqis said the Americans' treatment of women detainees and the sick most appalled them.
Hassan Ali Muslim, 28, detained for alleged carjacking but never charged, remembered one man being brought into their stifling, overcrowded tent at Camp Cropper in a sickbed. He said another died beside him.
"He was an old man. We had to line up for food, and it was very hot and it took a very long time, and wasn't good for sick people," Muslim said. "After the meal he began breathing heavily, and he just died."
The men told of detainees in wheelchairs and poorly treated diabetics, of epileptic seizures and nervous breakdowns.
"I saw four die in our camp," Tarik said of Abu Ghraib. Even when fellow prisoners warned of one man's worsening condition, he said, "they said they wouldn't take him (to a hospital) until it's serious and he's about to die."
Saad Naif said the "worst thing" was the treatment of women.
"Innocent women were kept for months in the same clothes. I saw a woman about 80 years old — her hands were tied up and she was lying in the dust," he said.
Hassan Naif recalled a day at Camp Cropper when a man saw his sister being punished by being stretched out bound in the sun. He angrily tried to cross the razor wire ringing his tent, "and they shot him in the shoulder," he said.
Saad Naif said he saw another prisoner shot dead when he approached the wire at Abu Ghraib.
Muslim, whose father was jailed under the ousted Baathists, said the U.S. system hardly compared with the old regime's bloody political prisons, and he said living conditions improved at times under the Americans.
Camp Cropper, whose overcrowded conditions had grown notorious, was closed Oct. 1. The secret Army investigation, nevertheless, found that the worst abuses continued at least into December at Abu Ghraib.
Much of what the ex-detainees told AP meshed with what delegates of the International Committee of the Red Cross, the only outsiders allowed into the camps, were said to have found on visits last year.
Those findings were confidential, but the human rights group Amnesty International said last summer it learned that the ICRC inspectors were finding serious abuses, and it charged that "torture and gross abuse of human rights" were occurring.
On Friday, the Red Cross disclosed it had repeatedly demanded last year that U.S. authorities correct problems in the detention centers. The Americans took action on some issues but not others, it said.
"We were dealing here with a broad pattern, not individual acts. There was a pattern and a system," Pierre Kraehenbuel, the Red Cross operations director, said in Geneva.
Inside the camps, too, appeals were made.
Saad Naif said one prominent detainee, a former Iraqi provincial governor, urged U.S. military officers to halt the abuses.
"He told them, `What you are doing to the Iraqi people will turn against you,' and that they must win the support of the people, not the opposite," Naif said. "They told him to mind his own business."
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Associated Press Special Correspondent Charles J. Hanley has covered the Iraq crisis since mid-2002 and most recently reported from Iraq in the fall of 2003.
OK Red Cross, since you have become a political entity instead of a humanitarian relief organization, then perhaps you should take a crash course and brush up on your diplomacy!
Pierre??? Anyone think there might just be an agenda here to help this story along?
I'm sure if you just go to the mainstream press you can find out how many have been killed.
Just don't get a paper cut paging through the papers reporting of "American atrocities" in your search for it to finally find a 1" by 1" block in the bottom right corner on page 23D below a low interest used cars sale add!
I just can't change my mindset of jihads being scared of, or concerned about personal degradation, when they will place themselves in a position, and they have, to die for a meaningless cause.
I don't see personal humiliation as an issue for them.
I do however see them promoting their anti-American agenda by expounding their concerns for personal humility in a political fashion.
And lo and behold, we have people in power within our own country promoting anti-American agendas for a different purpose.
I see an indirect and disgraceful anti-American alliance forming between Jihad's and people in power within our country!
However, I see absolutely no reason for the publication for the photos except for their shock value and the political agenda of the media.
The matter was reported, investigated and action was taken.
As far as the Taguba report, I think you will find things on his "to do" list were done before the report even came out. He mentioned the pictures as being in the Criminal Division File as Criminal charges WERE PENDING ALREADY.
As far as Rummy resigning: You don't fire a CEO of a 1,000,000 employee company. You fire the 12 lousey employees.
Within the Iraqi population, there are a bunch of lying, stinking, stealing dudes who robbed their own towns, their own museum and kill their own for a few bucks. It's their way of life. And there's a lot of them. How do you tell the good ones from the bad ones? Good people cooperate, bad people do their own thing. The problem is: There's too many crazy Iraqis with guns who get paid by the bullet that takes down an American. But we'll do the job and thank our soldiers, because personally, I think we're a hell of a lot safer because we took out Saddam
It is generally humiliating to be a prisoner.
"They don't respect old or young. They humiliate everybody"
In other words, Iraqi cultural niceties are not observed, and everyone is simply treated same way, as a prisoner.
"Women guards especially were verbally abusive, with obscene invective"
In other words, they swear like sailors and call the prisoners names, in order to assert control. Just like any drill sergeant would with his or her own soldiers. But to Iraqi men, unused to this from women, it seemed shocking. Some "torture".
"insulting our sisters and parents. It was very hard to accept"
Schoolyard taunts from NCOs to privates are "very hard to accept", if your normal attitude toward women is to beat them if they look at you funny.
"like children, showing off their muscle"
The horror, the horror. The guards show off to intimidate prisoners, to get them to behave. The prisoners consider it humiliating, because they'd like to rip their heads off and can't. Some torture.
"guards struck one man at Camp Cropper with an "electric stick" because he was slow carrying water"
In other words, someone "fell out" of a line and a guard used a stun gun to subdue him.
"tied his hands and put him in the sun"
The horror, the horror. Why, surely prisoners who try to escape should be able to roam about freely without restraints. And while the guards have to pull long days of duty under the hot sun, prisoners are entitled to rest in the shade at all times. Makes one wonder, has anyone ever worked in a field in Iraq?
"such lesser infractions as shouting to the next tent or stealing food"
That is, starting fights and theft from other prisoners - which should be tolerated as perfectly allowed.
"He was stubborn, so they hit him, and he spent three days in the hospital"
Being fed, perhaps?
As for being hit or dogs, "Prisoners regularly rose up in protest or riots" - left conveniently for a little lower down in the article. When this happens, the guards are supposed to turn over the prison to them? Or shoot them all? Or are they supposed to put down the riot with less than lethal force, e.g. by hitting people or using stun guns or using dogs?
"Up to 8,000 are believed still held"
We've got 5-10 times as many in jail here, per capita.
"after Americans searching his car found a weapon, a common item for Iraqis"
Just any weapon? No. SOP is to allow men one AK, but not to allow anything more than that. Did he have a pistol, or an AK? Or did he have an RPG or a hand grenade?
"never given enough water for drinking and washing"
Yeah, everyone in Iraq usually has all the water they want, all the time. It is a desert.
"we were chanting, so they kept food from us"
You want sugar, you act in an orderly manner. That would seem obvious enough.
An old man died. Of course that never happens except in prison. Why it is torture.
"Innocent women were kept for months in the same clothes"
Why yeah, that is the worst they saw. Outrageous isn't it? Right up there with the shredders and the lions. They didn't even let them shop at Neiman Marcus.
"He angrily tried to cross the razor wire ringing his tent, 'and they shot him in the shoulder'"
Darwin award. Yes, you get all riled up and go charging across the wire, you will get shot. He was lucky it was in the shoulder.
"the U.S. system hardly compared"
Yep, the honest report in the article is that there is no comparison, conditions were fine under us and appalling under the old regime.
Then they say it "meshed" with confidential stuff they haven't seen. Which somebody else says they saw (third or fourth hand by now?). Which was talking about another place entirely.
"The Americans took action on some issues but not others"
In other words, we let the confidential ICCR in and they tell us what they see, and we listen to it, and we act on it. We don't take orders from them, but they have access and their statements are attended to.
Sorry, there is nothing here to support the attempted insinuation, that widespread torture and abuse of human rights in the norm in US prisons in Iraq. That is clearly what the article wants to say, but it can't get the actual evidence to say it.
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