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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: leadpenny
I do better reading the jerks, listening to them makes me crazy!
441 posted on 05/08/2004 4:36:00 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: saquin
The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders.

That argument didn't work for the nazis, either. There's other ways to go about this. He could have e-mailed his superiors, bcc'd his dad, and stored the original on a disk just in case his command chucked the e-mail with no action. Or he could have forwarded a paper letter and stashed copies if a cover-up happened later.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse.

This dumbass had visions of being another Erin Brockovich and all he's getting for his trouble is a prison sentence for his son. There's a few ways to do this right. Running to a disgruntled ex-officer with friends at CBS isn't one of them. His story that nobody in Congress or the military was interested even though he had pictures in his possession is a straight-up lie. All he had to do is show them pics and threaten to go to the press. He would have had their attention like you can't believe. The only thing this guy was interested in was fame and money on the talk-show circuit and all he got was a prison sentence for his son.

When the smoke clears, the photos that Lawson sent home for daddy to give to CBS probably wasn't done out of outrage over hazing terrorists that have killed people in unspeakable ways. He's probably angry at his reserve unit being activated and deployed to Iraq. Instead of being in college drinking beer and getting laid, he's in Iraq being expected to do his job. Maybe he should have considered signing up more carefully.

442 posted on 05/08/2004 4:36:05 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (All the good taglines are taken...)
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To: MEG33
Ratner inadvertently let us know the DNC agenda today by saying they don't want Rumsfeld to go because then it would be over and he'd be the fall guy. They clearly want Bush to be the fall guy. Isn't going to happen.
443 posted on 05/08/2004 4:39:21 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Texasforever
Hack is back.

yup. he already has an admiral's head on his trophy room wall; now he wants a secretary of defense or a president.

444 posted on 05/08/2004 4:40:30 AM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: MEG33
If you are speaking about the article on the 82 Airborne, its from the DOD. Click on the link.
445 posted on 05/08/2004 4:43:04 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Robert Drobot; DugwayDuke; mystery-ak
Further, IMO most reservists are a nothing more than 'free money' public educational system leaches. They could care less about chain of command and following orders. It's little wonder the Iraq POW camps make M*A*S*H look hardcore.

That's an awful big brush you're painting with, and in weilding it, you've managed to show your a$$.

446 posted on 05/08/2004 4:45:53 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Don’t go around stating the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first.)
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To: Peach
I think it is less than 50. We haven't heard about but one contractor, no MI yet, investigation started, or CIA(were they there?) The perps in the pictures are all blaming intelligence giving them orders to soften up the prisoners for interrogation.

The commander said she never went in that part of the prison,intelligence was in charge. It's not the picture posers' fault, it's not the contractors' fault ,or the Commander's fault so we have to find out if anyone had responsibility for anything/sarcasm
447 posted on 05/08/2004 4:50:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: mikegi
I don't think any of these troops should be charged with anything. They are as guilty as Ollie North. Find their superiors who told them to do this and charge them. I'm really mad at Bush for scapegoating the troops. It's cowardly. He should be pointing his finger at their supervisors. These people were told to do a job and Bush is mad at them for doing it instead of being mad at the people who told them to do the job-- like Ted Kennedy and Kerry during Iran Contra. I hope these soldiers rat out every superior involved and take on Bush on this. I'd support them. Troops are told to do bad things all the time in war. You don't blame the troops for doing what they're told.
448 posted on 05/08/2004 4:50:04 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: saquin
(...arriving late to the party...)

I quit reading when they said it was 'cause they were poor people.

Horsehockey. Ever heard of jepordizing an investigation? Sheesh!

Maybe they are hoping for an OJ trial....

449 posted on 05/08/2004 4:52:34 AM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
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To: mystery-ak
General Schoomaker gave Senator Chambliss a severe admonition yesterday when he percieved Saxby inferred that the problem at the prison was endemic to a Guard/Reserve unit. He made it clear that the Regular, Guard and Reserve units have the same level of expectations in terms of training, discipline and excellence ... and if that particular unit had some command or system failure it would be identified and fixed.

He's a good Army Chief. I like the Acting Secretary too. He's a retired Colonel with a Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart.

450 posted on 05/08/2004 4:53:22 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: dasboot
Is the reason this guy can no longer live in his country because his people may treat him worse than what we've seen in these photos? Who's the barbarian here?
451 posted on 05/08/2004 4:55:16 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: eastforker
You forgot the 3rd, the one who stays groomed and is proud of his service and helps out publically in the VFW or American Legion.

Or, leads Freeps in support of the troops! :)

452 posted on 05/08/2004 4:56:06 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I'm really mad at Bush for scapegoating the troops. It's cowardly

You're just mad at Bush, and it makes the rest of your judgements seem damn foolish.

453 posted on 05/08/2004 4:56:54 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I'm really mad at Bush for scapegoating the troops. It's cowardly

You're just mad at Bush, and it makes the rest of your judgements seem damn foolish.

454 posted on 05/08/2004 4:56:55 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: swilhelm73
Good catch, sw....the hypocrisy of the left shines through again....
455 posted on 05/08/2004 4:57:44 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Howlin
"Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, "

That is ~weird~...

456 posted on 05/08/2004 4:58:43 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
He should be pointing his finger at their supervisors

All in due process...errr...due time.

457 posted on 05/08/2004 4:58:50 AM PDT by evad ("Such an enemy cannot be deterred, detained, appeased, or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed")
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To: Howlin
Oh man..if they were sent to that committee...I can't WAIT to see how this plays out.
458 posted on 05/08/2004 5:00:29 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

459 posted on 05/08/2004 5:00:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: TexKat
No ,I meant the article critisizing Rumsfield the man on Cspan was reading...Sounds like the NYT..I read there were 5 or 6 in the NYT today.
460 posted on 05/08/2004 5:02:44 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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