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GIs say attackers in Iraq are either ruthless or have little will to fight
The Stars and Stripes ^ | May 2, 2004 | Terry Boyd

Posted on 05/03/2004 2:31:17 PM PDT by demlosers

BAGHDAD — Some fight. Most run. Aside from concentrations of insurgents in Fallujah and militias in Najaf, U.S. soldiers rarely encounter an enemy willing to stand and shoot it out.

In interviews with 1st Cavalry Division soldiers and officers working the urban or rural areas around Camp Victory North in northwest Baghdad, Americans tend to divide insurgents into those who have little will — and less ability — to fight, and those who are resourceful and ruthless.

But at least part of that perception is based on the setting. The same enemy tends to be more aggressive in urban warfare, more vulnerable in rural areas.

In Baghdad’s densely populated neighborhoods, U.S. troops say they start with a big disadvantage: They wear uniforms, while it’s nearly impossible to tell who’s friendly and who’s not. The rule of thumb, soldiers and officers say, is don’t trust anyone who’s not American, British or Coalition. That goes for Iraqi Civil Defense Corps members, many of whom quit the corps or defected rather than fight in Najaf and other hot spots.

“The enemy is all around you,” said Capt. Lee Edmonds, Company A commander with 1st Cav’s 91st Engineer Battalion. People at the neighborhood level call anyone who’s not from their neighborhood “strangers,” Edmonds said.

Whomever they’re fighting, the urban setting is far more dangerous and limiting for soldiers who rarely see the enemy, and rarely have a clear shot when they do.

The enemy that 1st Cav soldiers are fighting now in urban Baghdad is one with quickly evolving tactics and strategies, “a hell of a lot of sophistication,” said 1st Lt. Nicholas Bradley, a Company A platoon leader for the 91st Engineers.

In the last few weeks, terrorists have shown “a hell of a lot better tactics than the average Joe we were used to dealing with,” Bradley said. It’s the kind of enemy who will lay a roadside bomb, knowing explosives disposal teams will come in, then hit the area with preranged mortars.

His soldiers have seen a series of a particularly sophisticated type of bomb concealed in concrete blocks. The bomb constructions are so uniform, Bradley said he suspects they may be the work of one person.

It’s all part of a multilevel chess game where soldiers adjust to terrorists’ tactics, then the terrorists adjust to the soldiers’ adjustments.

“This is just straight urban ops,” Edmonds said. “It’s a 360-degree fight. We’re looking down for IEDs [improvised explosive devices], and up for eyes looking at us. [Spotters’ eyes] can be just as deadly as weapons.”

He fantasizes, Edmonds said, about fighting the open fight, “about seeing a guy putting down an IED.”

First Lt. Blayne Smith’s Scouts from 2nd Platoon, Troop D — part of the 1st Cavalry Division’s 9th Cavalry Regiment — has lived the reality of both urban and rural warfare. All in the same night.

On April 11, Scouts shot it out with 25 uniformed insurgents in a palm grove, killing or capturing them all.

On the way back to base, the Scouts encountered a bomb in the urban area just outside Victory North, “and we didn’t fire a shot. Who were we going to shoot? We just kept on truckin’.”

In rural areas outside Baghdad, Scouts typically engage insurgents laying ambushes, Smith said. They’re well-equipped, with fighting positions dug to American standards.

“They’re prepared to fight,” he said. “It’s in the execution where we seen these guys fail.” Though his Scouts are well-armed, trained and experienced, some of the forces they’ve tangled with had sufficient numbers and firepower to overwhelm them, Smith said.

“They had AKs, RPKs, RPGs. They could have [messed] us up,” he said. But most fled after firing a few stray shots, Smith said. Smith theorizes that many factors differentiate urban and rural warfare. Urban terrorists may be more resolute in that they’re closer to the people who finance attacks, he said. Insurgents operating in rural areas away from “the guys pulling the strings may find it easier to cut and run” than their counterparts on the streets of Abu Ghraib and Amariyah,” he said.

But mostly, urban fighters have a tactical advantage in that U.S. troops can’t shoot back before “they bleed right back into the market,” Smith added.

If insurgents decide they want to attack troops in the open, they’d better be ready for sustained firefight, “and I would not plan for a sustained firefight with U.S. forces. We have a much more clear-cut fight out there,” he said.

If there is a unifying element among the U.S. forces, say soldiers and officers, it’s a total lack of respect for insurgents, who soldiers label as cowards and terrorists.

“I have absolutely no respect for them,” said Sgt. Billy Burrus, an MK-19 gunner with Company D.

“They give up so fast,” said Sgt. 1st Class Jeff Campbell, 2nd platoon sergeant. “There’s no fight in them.”

When American troops do capture insurgents, they find enemy fighters rarely have the courage to admit who they are or what they did. His soldiers have never grabbed an insurgent yet who didn’t say he was innocent, Edmonds said.

Most of all, Scouts hate criers, Smith said. The uniformed insurgent who is shooting at them one minute, and crying like a baby the next when captured, “swearing he didn’t do anything,” Smith said.

“This one guy we grabbed in a fire-fight. We had him for maybe an hour, and he’s gesturing to his mouth. ‘I want water. I want bread.’ I couldn’t believe it.”

Of course the insurgents are losers, said Sgt. Aaron Bibb, an MK 19 gunner with Company D.

“They’re driven by money,” Bibb said. “We’re driven by beliefs.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq

Terry Boyd / S&S
Soldiers say that while they wear uniforms, the enemy doesn't and could be anyone. A 1st Cavalry soldier makes Iraqi Civil Defense Corps members disarm and lie down until he can verify who they are after the ICDC personnel showed up just after a mortar attack on U.S. soldiers. There are too many incidences when Iraqis in ICDC or police uniforms have fired on them, soldiers say.
1 posted on 05/03/2004 2:31:17 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Better safe than sorry.
2 posted on 05/03/2004 2:34:37 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: demlosers
The enemy is not willing to stand up and fight it out! Imperial powers have been saying the same thing for two hundred years when the colonials engage in guerrilla hit and run tactics.
3 posted on 05/03/2004 2:40:01 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: demlosers
U.S. soldiers rarely encounter an enemy willing to stand and shoot it out..

They rather stand back with a remote control and blow up a convoy at a discreet distance or maybe coerce somebody to do a suicide run. Chicken sh*ts.

4 posted on 05/03/2004 2:42:28 PM PDT by oyez (Fortune favors the bold.)
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To: demlosers

Send the guys in the 12th Regiment mortar platoon of the 1st Cav your prayers and wishes.....http://www.hhc112mortars.com/E-Mail.htm

5 posted on 05/03/2004 2:49:18 PM PDT by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: demlosers
"The same enemy tends to be more aggressive in urban warfare, more vulnerable in rural areas".

No women and children to hide behind in the rural areas.
6 posted on 05/03/2004 2:51:02 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: Thud
ping
7 posted on 05/03/2004 2:59:02 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: demlosers
there is a third option; they are dead.
8 posted on 05/03/2004 3:21:17 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Dark Wing
I think we need to do 2 things. One - out bid these bad guys paying for these attacks. Offer sizeable rewards for info - I would think we are doing that anyway but we can certainly offer more - double or triple for good info - $500 per terrorist - $1000 for a foreign terrorist - no questions asked, the informants identity protected - lets see - 10,000 bad guys x 500 = 5 million dollars. Chump change if you ask me.

Second. We need to create a special batalion of joint Iraqi/Coalition troops (with Arabic language skills and can concieveably pass for Iraqis). Their job would be to melt into the hottest urban areas and gather intel - watch and observe. Again, we may be doing that as well. I hope so.

This all comes down to intel not more troops. The only place more troops might help is along the borders.
9 posted on 05/03/2004 3:27:31 PM PDT by DHerion (Out bid the bad guys)
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To: zarf
Tried to send the following message to our heroes! Page not found 404!

Your sacrifice for our way of life is much appreciated back home here in the good ol' USA.

Bluesily, Curt

Please pass it on!

10 posted on 05/03/2004 3:39:32 PM PDT by crusty codger (Arrogance often covers a minimum of intelligence)
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To: demlosers
“They’re driven by money,” Bibb said. “We’re driven by beliefs.”

Who are the mercs?

11 posted on 05/03/2004 4:46:12 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Imperial powers have been saying the same thing for two hundred years when the colonials engage in guerrilla hit and run tactics.

Really? How interesting, now liberating powers are saying the same thing.

12 posted on 05/03/2004 5:12:59 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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