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Forgotten German Veterans of France's Vietnam War
Yahoo! News ^ | Sat May 1, 9:24 PM ET | James Mackenzie

Posted on 05/03/2004 4:49:06 AM PDT by jjackson

WEINHEIM AN DER BERGSTRASSE, Germany (Reuters) - Four years after the end of World War II, while much of Germany still lay in ruins, 17-year-old Egon Pohl left his home to join the Foreign Legion and France's war in Vietnam.

"It was adventure and a new home," said Pohl, who lied about his age to join the elite French force along with thousands of others trying to escape the chaos and rubble of post-war Germany.

An estimated 35,000 Germans served during the eight-year conflict that ended 50 years ago this week when a disastrous defeat at the battle of Dien Bien Phu on May 7, 1954 brought about the fall of France's colonial empire in Indochina.

Many were combat veterans from the army or SS members recruited straight from prisoner of war camps after Germany's defeat.

But many uprooted and disoriented younger men whose homes and family had been lost were also attracted by the promise of adventure and a new start as well as good food and pay.

"I came back from Russia and had nowhere else to go," said Heinz Kaiser, whose parents had both been killed in the war and who joined the Legion in 1953 after his home in the former eastern German region of Silesia was absorbed into Poland.

Highly regarded by the French for their discipline and bravery, Germans made up over half the Foreign Legion units that bore much of the heaviest fighting against the communist Viet Minh forces of Ho Chi Minh.

In a brutal, but now little-known war in which untold numbers of Vietnamese died, more than 10,000 Legionnaires were killed, out of about 70,000 who fought as France battled to keep possessions the Legion had helped conquer from 1883.

On a tranquil spring evening in south Germany, Kaiser, Pohl and others like Manfred Laubscher, who won one of France's top decorations, the Medaille Militaire, in a paratrooper battalion or Rudolf Schneider, who won the same medal as a sergeant in a mainly Vietnamese infantry unit, look back with former comrades.

They recall manning remote bush forts far from the elegant colonial capital Hanoi or patrolling paddy fields and elephant grass where American troops fought more than a decade later.

But direct sightings of their elusive enemy were scarce.

"We only really saw them when they wanted," said Wilhelm Roessler, who spent much of his service in the jungles of Laos.

Exceptions were battles like Dien Bien Phu, where 1,600 Germans took part in an epic defeat masterminded by Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap that became known as France's Stalingrad.

Giap led the Viet Minh, a coalition of communists and nationalists, in the legendary siege of Colonel Christian de Castries's forces in the town of Dien Bien Phu, about 490 km (300 miles) northwest of Hanoi.

FEROCIOUS DISCIPLINE, POWDERED WINE

Serving alongside French and Vietnamese units and Algerian, Moroccan or Senegalese troops from France's colonial empire, the Legion was the backbone of a multinational army fighting a distant war that raised little enthusiasm in a war-weary France.

For their part, the Germans and their Italian, Spanish or eastern European colleagues, felt their main attachment to the Legion rather than to France and few made much effort to speak any other language than German.

"I learned some French, but only because I was interested," said Pohl. Otherwise, most learned only the main French words of command, took their orders from German sergeants and sang German marching songs as they tramped along the dusty roads.

Despite this, the Legion was one of the most decorated units in the French army, its tradition upheld by ferocious discipline and ruthless punishment for those who failed to keep up.

But it also provided strong comradeship and an alternative family as well as stereotypically French comforts such as good food and limitless quantities of wine, even supplied in concentrated or powdered form when troops were in the field.

"We had the right to wine as part of our contract," said Heinrich Back, who served in the later Algerian war and who now heads an "Amicale" or veterans' association in Mannheim.

But despite the strong cohesion of the Legion, a small number of Germans did desert the French to join the Viet Minh and two former German Legionnaires even became top officials in the Viet Minh's propaganda and intelligence services.

AMBIGUITY

Although joining a foreign army was frowned on in Germany, post-war governments could not risk angering France by stopping it outright and there was no shortage of recruits for Indochina.

"The Legion always gets recruits from countries which aren't doing well economically," Back said.

While many saw Legionnaires as irresponsible adventurers, they exerted a strong fascination in the conformist Germany of the 1950s, reflected in the huge success of the sentimental song "Der Legionaer," which spent weeks in the charts in 1958.

However once Germany's "Economic Miracle" brought prosperity in the 1960s, the supply of German recruits dried up and today, only a handful serve in the much-reduced Legion, although there are over 40 veterans' associations in Germany.

Given the insistence in both Paris and Berlin on the ever closer defense ties between the two countries, there is an irony to the fact that so little attention is paid to the thousands of Germans who fought in France's colonial wars.

"We're treated like emperors when we go to France but in Germany, people of our generation still think we're hoodlums," said Wolfgang Fluegge, who joined the Legion in 1954.

But none of the men regrets his time in the Legion. "You won't find any Legionnaire who regrets it," they said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: foreignlegion; france; germany; godsgravesglyphs; legionnaire; vietnam

1 posted on 05/03/2004 4:49:07 AM PDT by jjackson
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To: jjackson
Hmm. Germans and Frenchmen. I can see this will be a lively thread!
2 posted on 05/03/2004 4:53:53 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: jjackson
IIRC, many of the Germans who served with the Foreign Legion during this time were former Waffen SS men who had fled Germany after WW 2.

They took no prisoners, were dreadfully feared by the enemy and generally kicked communist butt during their time in Vietnam.

When it became public that the French had former SS fighting on their side, the German units were withdrawn. Soon after, the French collapsed and Dien Bien Phu followed.
3 posted on 05/03/2004 5:06:02 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Arkie2
I recall reading that some of the Germans in SE Asia, shall we say, reverted to some of their previous methods. No doubt it was bad apples, not representative...but its enough to make you go, Hmmph.
4 posted on 05/03/2004 5:09:38 AM PDT by blanknoone (How many flips would a flip-flop flop if a flip-flop could flop flips?)
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To: jjackson
Read: 'Legionnaire' By Simon Murray, or -'Last Adventurer' By Rolf Steiner. And it's true, lots of SS types and others were in the Legion to 'hide out' after WWII. Once in, no one and nothing could touch you till you left the service and re entered civilian life.
5 posted on 05/03/2004 5:55:50 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: blanknoone
I remember reading where the ex-SS types were quite effective. When the road was mined, they'd just head into the closest village and grab a bunch of locals to strap on the lead vehicles. Someone always seemed to "remember" where the mines were.

They quickly learned that this only worked when they used locals; the dinks at the next village didn't give a hoot about the ones from the last village.

I wish I remember the name of the book. It was great.

6 posted on 05/03/2004 6:03:39 AM PDT by Wumpus Hunter (<a href="http://moveon.org" target="blank">Communist front group for Kerry</a>)
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To: jjackson
We also had a number of ex-German soldiers in our services who served in WWII, mostly from the the Wehrmacht or Luftwaffe and not the SS. Some were in our Special Forces, others in other areas. I can recall one German Sergeant who I had as an instructor in one of my Survival Schools who had fought years on the Russian Front and had been a Russian prisoner, but fortunately escaped before being sent to Siberia or the Caucasus. This was in the mid-60s.
7 posted on 05/03/2004 6:18:48 AM PDT by Gritty ("The enemy of the Middle East is not the West so much as modernism itself" -Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: jjackson
I forgot to mention, one of my favorite movies of all time is 'Lost Command'. Anthony Quinn (Claudia Cardinale and others)was a Legion officer back from Indochina and stationed in Algeria during their struggle to get the French out of their country. It probably was never big box office but what a great script, dialog and casting... everything!! And the movie has one of my all time favorites lines from any film. Troops were being trained on an obstacle course and fired on with live ammunition. One trainee was hurt and Quinn asked him why he did not fire back to protect himself. The trainee said 'I did not know it was the rule that I could fire back.' Quinn said 'There's only one rule...Don't die!!!" Ain't it the truth!!
8 posted on 05/03/2004 6:20:50 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: Arkie2
>>>>Hmm. Germans and Frenchmen. I can see this will be a lively thread!<<<

the facts are stranger than fiction.

9 posted on 05/03/2004 6:27:46 AM PDT by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet.)
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To: Gritty
We had a math teacher who was an ex-German soldier on the Russian front. He had suffered a gun shot wound in his upper leg. He had married a Japanese woman and had taken her family name; Yajima. I always wondered if he was hiding out in Yokohama.
10 posted on 05/03/2004 6:49:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Skooz
Um, no, not remotely. Germans were clobbered in DBP along with the rest of the garrison, and there was no withdrawing anybody involved. Also, they were a modest portion of the legion, which was a modest portion of the overall French force in Indochina. The French used more Vietnamese than Germans - a third to half of many units - and more Frenchmen than Vietnamese. Read Bernard Fall, he is the best history of this war (and one of the best military historians of the last century).
11 posted on 05/03/2004 9:24:10 AM PDT by JasonC
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Some examples - the 3rd battalion, 3rd regiment of foreign legion infantry most mostly Germans as the rank and file. The battalion commander was French and the company commanders were Italian. It also included Spaniards and Croats. The 2nd foreign legion parachute battalion was made up of Germans, Spanish anarchists, and Vietnamese.

Many in the Legion were from eastern European countries overrun by the Russians after WW II. Others were, as mentioned, Spanish or Italian or from the Balkans etc. Of about 15,000 soldiers that passed through DBP on the French side, slightly under 4,000 were in the Foreign Legion. Of these, no more than half were German. Also, the average age in the Legion at the time of the battle was 23 years. Many of these men had been boys during WW II.

In addition to Frenchmen and the Legion and Vietnamese filling out units (a quarter to half their number in many cases), the French also employed colonial troops from their other possession. Moroccans and Algerians fought at DBP on the French side. There were about 2500 North Africans in the DBP fight. From among the Vietnamese, about that many were T'ai tribesmen, a mountain tribe local to nearby areas that resisted the Viet Minh.

T'ai, other Vietnamese, Germans, other Foreign Legion, North Africans, and mainland Frenchmen (especially from elite formations like the paras) all contributed sizeable contingents to the DBP force.

12 posted on 05/03/2004 9:52:15 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Wumpus Hunter
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13 posted on 05/08/2004 5:55:58 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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This topic was posted 5/3/2004, thanks jjackson.

14 posted on 05/30/2023 6:56:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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