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VATICAN REJECTS ISLAMIC USE OF SPANISH CATHEDRAL
Catholic World News Brief ^ | 30-April-2004 | (CWNews.com)

Posted on 04/30/2004 8:42:39 PM PDT by M007

Vatican, Apr. 30 (CWNews.com) - A Vatican official has rejected the bid by Muslim groups to share the use of a Spanish cathedral which was once an Islamic mosque.

Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, the president of the Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue, told the AsiaNews service that the Catholic Church could not agree to a demand advanced by Islamic leaders in Cordoba, who sought to use the city's cathedral for Muslim prayer services.

The prelate remarked that a cathedral cannot be regarded in the same way as an inter-denominational airport chapel. While recognizing that the building was first constructed as a mosque, the archbishop urged Muslims to "accept history" rather than trying to "take revenge" for the Christian conquest of Corboba. Archbishop Fitzgerald pointed out that during his visit to Damascus in 2001, Pope John Paul II visited the historic Omayyad mosque-- a building which had originally been a Byzantine church. The Pontiff, he observed, recognized the historic change in the building's ownership, and "did not ask to celebrate Mass" in the former basilica.

At the time of his interview with AsiaNews, the archbishop said that no Islamic leader had formally requested the use of the Cordoba cathedral. But on April 29-- the day that the interview appeared-- the secretary-general of the Spanish Islamic Council announced that he had made such a request-- to both the Holy See and Cordoba's Bishop Asenjo Pelegrino. The Islamic leader, Mansur Escudero, said that the cathedral could become the first place in the world where Christians and Muslims prayed side by side. Discussion about Muslim use of the cathedral in Cordoba has simmered for years, but became more pointed in March, when Islamic officials attending an international inter-religious conference raised the issue. At the time, Archbishop Fitzgerald had remarked that the use of a cathedral was the responsibility of the local bishop. Bishop Pelegrino has not made any public comment on the question.

The controversy took on new importance after the terrorist bombings in Madrid on March 11, as Islamic militants in Spain recalled the Islamic heritage of the country, and the Reconquista that drove Muslims back from their Iberian strongholds. To avoid incidents, the cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption-- once known as the greatest mosque in the Islamic world outside Mecca-- has been closely guarded in recent weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; cordoba; jihadinspain; religionofpeace; spain; spanishmuslims; vatican
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To: WOSG
Okay, have it your way. Neanwhile, I'll call it WWIII.

I doubt you'll get anybody to call it WWIV, but hey! Go for it. ;-D
41 posted on 04/30/2004 10:33:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: M007
the secretary-general of the Spanish Islamic Council announced that he had made such a request

Say....while we're on the subject of what belongs to whom...what's that building on the Temple Mount...................?

42 posted on 04/30/2004 10:34:06 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Judith Anne
Neanwhile? Neanwhile? hmmmmm.....
43 posted on 04/30/2004 10:34:34 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne
I've been using "IV"
44 posted on 04/30/2004 10:34:54 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: TheConservator
Islam could change. If it were to follow the Christian pattern, it would need to undergo a reformation

No, islam can not change. If it were to follow the Christian Reformation pattern it would adhere to a stricter reading of the koran not liberalize what the koran says. For islam to change it needs to back away from following what is written in the koran not follow it closer as the Christians did with the Bible in their Reformation.

45 posted on 04/30/2004 10:36:45 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Okay. I've been using III.

"Neanwhile" it does seem to be a World War...
46 posted on 04/30/2004 10:38:50 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne
No actually I am even wierder than that ... I would call it WW V ...

5 wars for universal concepts of Governance to pitted empires and alliances representing those models against eachother:

WW I was French Rev/ Napoleonic Wars (Nationalism asserted)
WWII was WW I (democracy v. autocracy/monarchy)
WWIII was WW II (war against fascism)
WW IV was Cold War (war against Communism)
WW V is GWOT (War Against Islamofascism)

Is that confusing enough????


47 posted on 04/30/2004 10:47:42 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Mears
It was a basilica before it was bulldozed for a mosque.
48 posted on 04/30/2004 10:47:47 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: WOSG
I think your list has it for accuracy, but, silly stubborn me, I'm still going to call this one WWIII.

;-D
49 posted on 04/30/2004 10:51:41 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: M007
Good one for the Vatican.
50 posted on 04/30/2004 10:52:36 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - THE BEST GET BETTER)
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To: Judith Anne
Go ahead, it still beats calling the terror threat "exaggerated" like Kerry does, or thinking it's a 'legal' problem handled by assistant lawyers in DoJ like Gorelick did.
51 posted on 04/30/2004 10:53:38 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Mears
What are you talking about?

The day westerners can practice religion in one of their countries without fear of death is the day we will share Christian churches with them.

And that day is never.
52 posted on 04/30/2004 10:56:56 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: WOSG
Why, thanks! ;-D
53 posted on 04/30/2004 10:58:58 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: WOSG
Not to mention that a certain stone structure in Mecca used to be used to worship the moon Gods and Mary mother of Jesus!!!! :-)

Really? When was the stone used to worship Mary? Thanks.

54 posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:02 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: texasbluebell
The day westerners can practice religion in one of their countries without fear of death is the day we will share Christian churches with them.

And that day is never.

Bump!

55 posted on 04/30/2004 11:04:08 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: M007
Fool Me Once, Shame On You.
Fool Me Twice, SHAME ON ME!

http://www.spaintour.com/heritage.htm#mosque

HISTORIC CENTRE OF CORDOBA

"The city of Cordoba lies on the right-hand bank of the Guadalquivir. It is the former capital of El Andalus, of the emirate and caliphate of the same name and has preserved many architectural sights of its past, especially its Mosque which became a part of the World Heritage List in 1984. The beautiful Parador of La Arruzafa overlooks the second most important city in the Guadalquivir Valley.

Where the Mosque stands today, there used to be a basilica consecrated to San Vicente in Visigothic times. When the Arabs conquered Cordoba in 711, the building was shared and divided into two equal parts for Muslims and Christians. This odd arrangement lasted until 784 when Abd al-Rahman I decided to build a new mosque at the site, a mosque which was finished by his son Hisham I in 790." (excerpted>

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It could have been located elsewhere. Obviously this was a typical example of the Muslim practice of taking over others' holy places for their own.

56 posted on 04/30/2004 11:09:04 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: wimpycat
To any Janus devotees out there who might have ideas, you can just forget about it! LOL!

You hear that J F'n Kerry? Forgittaboutit!!

57 posted on 04/30/2004 11:09:12 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Dec31,1999
"Not to mention that a certain stone structure in Mecca used to be used to worship the moon Gods and Mary mother of Jesus!!!! :-)"

"Really? When was the stone used to worship Mary? Thanks."

I read in a bio of Muhammed or related source that when Muhammed went into the Kibla, he removed all the symbols and statues of ALL THE GODS AND IMAGES except for the representation of Mary mother of Jesus.

This implies of course, that there was some veneration of Mary among the populace of Mecca. hmmmm.

Sorry dont recall the cite, maybe on answering-islam site.


58 posted on 04/30/2004 11:09:17 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Bismarck
OK, but only if Christians, Catholics and Orthodox, can worship in every former church converted to a mosque.

Lets not forget the Israelites now. Don't they have a religeous structure that's now a mosque??? ;-)

59 posted on 04/30/2004 11:12:55 PM PDT by Axenolith (We now return you to your regularly scheduled tagline...)
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To: Mears
It was a mosque long before it was a cathedral,in fact the cathedral is built inside the mosque.

Too bad. It's not a mosque anymore.

60 posted on 04/30/2004 11:19:12 PM PDT by Jorge
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